Building a new gaming pc
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AMD unveils Ryzen Threadripper: A monster CPU with 16 cores, 32 threads
Plus, Ryzen APUs, Ryzen Pro, and 32C/64T Epyc data centre processor teased.
16-core, 32-thread versions of AMD Ryzen CPUs codenamed Threadripper will launch this summer, the company revealed at its Financial Analyst Day yesterday.
Finally, AMD unveiled the new Epyc (yes, really) data centre processor.
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The physically massive Epyc chip sports 32 cores and 64 threads, 128 PCIe 3.0 lanes, and eight memory channels per socket for a total of 16 DDR4 channels and 32 DIMMs in a two-socket server. That's a potential maximum of 4TB of memory,
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@Dreikin I'm interested to see what the CPU speeds are like, because if the cores go too slow because of the high core count its usefulness for my purposes lowers. Although if AMD is going to release a pure HEDT platform too it could get interesting in that segment regardless.
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@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
128 PCIe 3.0 lanes, and eight memory channels per socket for a total of 16 DDR4 channels
Whoa.
(I'm on the other hand curious if you can max out the bandwidth on this. Who cares about CPU speed when you're always memory/transfer-bound? :-p And ... how badly NUMA is that system?)
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@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
The physically massive Epyc chip sports 32 cores and 64 threads, 128 PCIe 3.0 lanes, and eight memory channels per socket for a total of 16 DDR4 channels and 32 DIMMs in a two-socket server. That's a potential maximum of 4TB of memory,
Almost enough to run Firefox smoothly.
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The thing about gaming computers is that the games haven't seemed to have as much of a change in CPU requirements in the last 5-10 years. It's the graphics cards and disk space that are changing now... maybe RAM too, although I have yet to run into one that won't run with 8GB.
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@powerlord said in Building a new gaming pc:
The thing about gaming computers is that the games haven't seemed to have as much of a change in CPU requirements in the last 5-10 years. It's the graphics cards and disk space that are changing now... maybe RAM too, although I have yet to run into one that won't run with 8GB.
Yeah, my last rig lasted for 7 or so years and 3 graphic cards before I decided I needed a bigger CPU, and it's still serving as my linux box.
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@PleegWat said in Building a new gaming pc:
Yeah, my last rig lasted for 7 or so years and 3 graphic cards before I decided I needed a bigger CPU, and it's still serving as my linux box.
I did something dumb and bought the best cards (as in 2 of them) I could buy last time I built a new gaming PC.
Yeah, I would have been better off getting a single mid-range card since I had to replace them way before I needed a new PC.
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@powerlord said in Building a new gaming pc:
@PleegWat said in Building a new gaming pc:
Yeah, my last rig lasted for 7 or so years and 3 graphic cards before I decided I needed a bigger CPU, and it's still serving as my linux box.
I did something dumb and bought the best cards (as in 2 of them) I could buy last time I built a new gaming PC.
Yeah, I would have been better off getting a single mid-range card since I had to replace them way before I needed a new PC.
Buy for what you're playing now. If you need more horsepowers in 6 months you can always upgrade then and it'll probably be cheaper.
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@PleegWat said in Building a new gaming pc:
Buy for what you're playing now.
How big do I need for playing Visual Studio 2017 and minesweeper?
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@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
@PleegWat said in Building a new gaming pc:
Buy for what you're playing now.
How big do I need for playing Visual Studio 2017 and minesweeper?
17 feet by 20 quatloos
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@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
@PleegWat said in Building a new gaming pc:
Buy for what you're playing now.
How big do I need for playing Visual Studio 2017 and minesweeper?
I don't know, what grid sizes do you play on?
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@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
@PleegWat said in Building a new gaming pc:
Buy for what you're playing now.
How big do I need for playing Visual Studio 2017 and minesweeper?
minesweeper, you just need a toaster to play.
VS2017 on the other hand requires 4x Xeon E7-8890v4s at least 512GB of RAM, and a weekly goat sacrifice (you are allowed to eat the goat after the ritual if you want)
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@accalia said in Building a new gaming pc:
you are allowed to eat the goat after the ritual if you want
I recommend making a Caribbean-style curry
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@Dreikin Gotta give it to them, AMD wins the naming battle XD
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@Kian said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin Gotta give it to them, AMD wins the naming battle XD
they named their product after one of these:
that's not winning the naming battle. that's losing it hardcore.
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@accalia First, that's a seam ripper, not a threadripper.
Second, you can stab someone with that, so even if it was named after that you'd still be ahead. Just stab anyone that says otherwise.
Third, the competition is named "Kaby Lake", which isn't awesome at all.
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@Kian said in Building a new gaming pc:
First, that's a seam ripper,
mate, i don't know where you come from, but in my neck of the woods that's a threadripper, a seam ripper is someone who is in size denial, wears pants that are too small for them and then bends over to pick something up off the ground.
THAT is a seamripper.
@Kian said in Building a new gaming pc:
Second, you can stab someone with that, so even if it was named after that you'd still be ahead. Just stab anyone that says otherwise.
and get arrested for assault and/or murder? no thank you!
@Kian said in Building a new gaming pc:
Third, the competition is named "Kaby Lake", which isn't awesome at all.
lakes are cool! i'll stab anyone who says otherwise!
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@PleegWat Well, I like to have a good enough PC for at least 5 years. Despite being 5-6 years old, my CPU; motherboard; and HDD are fine for now.
My SSD kinda needs an upgrade and I just replaced the video card late last year. RAM is iffy as I sometimes do development work on this PC and 8GB is pushing it for dev work.
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@Weng said in Building a new gaming pc:
I use my $300 i3 spec for things like "the computer in the garage", "the computer in the living room", "the computer in the kitchen (don't judge me)", been thinking about a high-humidity version for the bathrooms, and most important of all, shit for old family members.
Just out of curiosity, are you doing stuff in the garage and kitchen that needs a $300 PC that can't be done on a $40 Raspberry Pi?
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@Dragnslcr said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Weng said in Building a new gaming pc:
I use my $300 i3 spec for things like "the computer in the garage", "the computer in the living room", "the computer in the kitchen (don't judge me)", been thinking about a high-humidity version for the bathrooms, and most important of all, shit for old family members.
Just out of curiosity, are you doing stuff in the garage and kitchen that needs a $300 PC that can't be done on a $40 Raspberry Pi?
unspeakable things that threaten the very fabric of time and space itself.
du-uh. :-P
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@Dreikin
If you really want, just look up what the software licensing cost of using SQL Server Enterprise on that box is going to set you back :PSpoiler
- Windows Server licensing (we'll assume Datacenter, since if you're doing that beefy of an SQL Server Enterprise box it's gonna be some big data warehouse that's mission critical and you can't afford for it to be down. also because it gets me an even more eye-popping number): $6,155 per 16 core license @ 2 sockets x 32 cores / socket = $24,620
- SQL Server Enterprise licensing: $14,256 per 2 core license @ 2 sockets x 32 cores / socket = $456,192
I hope the boss doesn't insist on saving money on the storage by using spinning rust or old style SSDs, instead of a good fiber channel SAN with PCIe-grade solid state storage... ;)
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@Dreikin
Definitely a dual socket Threadripper for VS 2017...
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@accalia said in Building a new gaming pc:
mate, i don't know where you come from, but in my neck of the woods that's a threadripper
I've always heard it referred to as a seam ripper too.
Source: my mom is an avid seamstress.
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@Dragnslcr said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Weng said in Building a new gaming pc:
I use my $300 i3 spec for things like "the computer in the garage", "the computer in the living room", "the computer in the kitchen (don't judge me)", been thinking about a high-humidity version for the bathrooms, and most important of all, shit for old family members.
Just out of curiosity, are you doing stuff in the garage and kitchen that needs a $300 PC that can't be done on a $40 Raspberry Pi?
In the garage, I need a full x64 Windows OS because hardware interfaces. And Pandora. And shitty car forums. And YouTube is apparently the only way anyone conveys instructions anymore.
In the kitchen, probably not, but I can't imagine the pi is very good at JavaScript.
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The Pi 3 is a 1.2 GHz quad-core with 1 GB RAM, so it should be able to handle web sites, Pandora, and YouTube without any trouble.
The Windows-specific stuff, yeah. It looks like there's a version of Windows 10 that will work on the Pi, but I don't know if your special hardware would work on that version of Windows.
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@accalia said in Building a new gaming pc:
unspeakable things that threaten the very fabric of time and space itself.
Sounds like a computer that might need to be able to disentangle the multitudinous threads of space and time. A spacetime thread ripper, if you will.
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@JazzyJosh said in Building a new gaming pc:
@accalia said in Building a new gaming pc:
16:9 and 21:9
16:10 Master Race.
-shrug-
i's prefer 16:10 on the side monitor, but i'm not giving up 21:9 on the main.
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@Dragnslcr said in Building a new gaming pc:
The Pi 3 is a 1.2 GHz quad-core with 1 GB RAM, so it should be able to handle web sites, Pandora, and YouTube without any trouble.
The Windows-specific stuff, yeah. It looks like there's a version of Windows 10 that will work on the Pi, but I don't know if your special hardware would work on that version of Windows.
Yeah, it won't.
I've been looking at buying some stuff that still specs XP.
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@Atazhaia said in Building a new gaming pc:
so I wont have too many computers around the house.
E_PARSE_ERROR
(counts...) I currently have 7 active, 3 semi-active, and 3 to-be-recycled in the house. All are laptops except one of the active ones.
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@accalia said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
@PleegWat said in Building a new gaming pc:
Buy for what you're playing now.
How big do I need for playing Visual Studio 2017 and minesweeper?
minesweeper, you just need a toaster to play.
VS2017 on the other hand requires 4x Xeon E7-8890v4s at least 512GB of RAM, and a weekly goat sacrifice (you are allowed to eat the goat after the ritual if you want)
Don't forget about all the extra monitors you need!
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@dcon said in Building a new gaming pc:
@accalia said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
@PleegWat said in Building a new gaming pc:
Buy for what you're playing now.
How big do I need for playing Visual Studio 2017 and minesweeper?
minesweeper, you just need a toaster to play.
VS2017 on the other hand requires 4x Xeon E7-8890v4s at least 512GB of RAM, and a weekly goat sacrifice (you are allowed to eat the goat after the ritual if you want)
Don't forget about all the extra monitors you need!
oh. right. you need one monitor per thread.
it is absolutely required.
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@RaceProUK Why not just bring you phone into the kitchen?
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@dcon I live small atm. So I only got 3 active in the house. Although I got a few more down at the computer club that I'm poking around with.
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@lucas1 said in Building a new gaming pc:
@RaceProUK Why not just bring you phone into the kitchen?
A computer screen is bigger and easier to read at a distance.
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@masonwheeler said in Building a new gaming pc:
I've always heard it referred to as a seam ripper too.
Source: my mom is an avid seamstress.
I always knew it as an unpicker.
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@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
Now now. I are disappoint.
All that complete and total overkill, the over the topness of it all and you stopped at a single 1080TI ?! why not go for two for SLI, or even 2 Titan Xpascal cards?
if you're going completely over the top at least have the decency to go all the way. :-P
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@accalia Could use more overkill. Why not an i7-6950X? It's two more cores for about $1300 more! Also, it would open up for more expensive motherboards too! And more RAM. Needs to max that motherboard! Stuff it full with all the hardware possible!
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@Atazhaia said in Building a new gaming pc:
@accalia Could use more overkill. Why not an i7-6950X? It's two more cores for about $1300 more! Also, it would open up for more expensive motherboards too! And more RAM. Needs to max that motherboard! Stuff it full with all the hardware possible!
if we're moving into socket 2011-v2 why not go xeon? some of thise fuckers are truly astronomcially expensive and you can have up to like four of them on a single motherboard.
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@accalia said in Building a new gaming pc:
@Dreikin said in Building a new gaming pc:
Now now. I are disappoint.
All that complete and total overkill, the over the topness of it all and you stopped at a single 1080TI ?! why not go for two for SLI, or even 2 Titan Xpascal cards?
if you're going completely over the top at least have the decency to go all the way. :-P
There are two 1080TIs - check the quantity ;)
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@accalia Or we could wait a few weeks for the new enthusiast platform X299 + i9-7920X. 12c/24t if the leaks are correct.
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@Atazhaia I never buy these boards. Get the regular board because other than the fact they've slapped "XTREME" or "HYPER" or some such shit, it is the same board.
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@lucas1 Except for the fact that Intel's X-boards use a different CPU socket, use quad-channel memory, has more PCIe lanes, better support for advanced features (that I actually use!), etc...
And for even more fun, you can compare the X58 chipset with the rest of the 5-series chipsets. Intel themselves listed it as a server chipset, because it was architecturally more similar to them than the mainstream 5-series.
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@Atazhaia And most of it is bollox and branding still.
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Motherboard with AURA sync RGB lighting
Ah, I see you're looking for a gaming motherboard...
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@lucas1 Well, for general purposes and gaming you want the normal mainstream series, yes. I see no benefit of going HEDT unless you have a use case that will make you able to benefit from that platform. But that also goes for the mainstream ones. If no need for the extra features of the more expensive chipsets, then don't go for them.
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@Atazhaia I wanna see the (independent) performance numbers.
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@lucas1
No, you're quite wrong, there are several technical differences that make a difference for truly high-end use.Comparing the tip-top of the "consumer" / standard line, the Core i7-7700K, to the tip-top of the Extreme line, the core i7-6950X (which is actually a 5th gen CPU by manufacturing process):
CPU i7-7700K i7-6950K Cores 4 10 Total Cache 8MB 25MB Power Use 90 W 140 W Max RAM 64GB 128GB Memory Channels 2 4 PCI-e Channels 16 40So, even with a 1 year old EXTREME CPU, you're still over 2x the RAM bandwidth, 2.5x the PCI-e bandwidth, 2.5x the number of cores (and threads, both are hyper-threaded), and 3x the CPU cache compared to the "just released three months ago" best standard CPU.
For a standard gaming PC, it's true that the extra power is at a non-bottleneck and is basically wasted. But if you're doing a lot of video transcoding, or trying to set up a SQL development box that can be used to do performance tuning on large workloads (and thus requires more than just SQL Express and a small local IIS site), the EXTREME series is a big difference, getting into Xeon/server level performance without getting all the way to server form-factor (space) and cost requirements.
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@bb36e said in Building a new gaming pc:
Motherboard with AURA sync RGB lighting
Ah, I see you're looking for a gaming motherboard...
Not particularly. I don't give a crap about the lights, it was just the one that seemed best/least-worst in reviews.
