Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?
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Ok, so after VLC had two more "stutter all the streams!!!" days in the past few weeks, I'm quite ready to cut the cord. Can anyone recommend a replacement media player that will handle most Internet Radio streams, do video playback as required, and generally not suck?
Operating system support needs to include Windows 10 64-bit.
Edit: Oh, and it would be sweet if the player actually showed title information when available from the stream, as opposed to WMP which is just like "I'm playing a stream, bro!"
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@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
Internet Radio streams
hmm..... MPD? it's pretty damn good.....
@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
, do video playback as required,
oh.... not MPD
@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
generally not suck?
no, we're good here. MPD's awesome if you're into Linux CLI, and if you're not it has some quite decent GUI interfaces
@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
Operating system support needs to include Windows 10 64-bit.
oh..... huh..... well.....
there goes that plan.
maybe mplayer?
i'm not at all familliar with the GUIs for it, but it's a solid command line interface with a couple of pluggable GUIs ant i know it handles streams at least to some degree?
pretty damn sure there's a windows build for that?
or maybe chrome has an extension or native support.
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@accalia said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
graphical GUI interfaces
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@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
Windows 10 64-bit
@accalia said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
if you're into Linux CLI
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@loopback0 https://www.cygwin.com/
/me  self for
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@loopback0 said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
Windows 10 64-bit
@accalia said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
if you're into Linux CLI
Oi! wear if you're going to be ic. that way i'll know not to try with the funny stuff.
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Winamp for music and videos.
MPC-HC for videos and music.
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@accalia THIS IS GENERAL HELP NOT FUNNY STUFF. BEEP BOOP.
INB4 I DIDN'T ASK FOR HELP
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@loopback0 said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
@accalia THIS IS GENERAL HELP NOT FUNNY STUFF. BEEP BOOP.
INB4 I DIDN'T ASK FOR HELP
BEEP BOOP one can be helpfull and still try for funny
filed under: close your tags
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@accalia said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
filed under: close your tags
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@accalia in all seriousness though.....
what internet streams do you listen to? have you tried opening them in your browser? because Chrome/FF probably just support playback. things like notifications on track change may or maynot be supported but at least they'll probably be okay.
also with VLC the most common problems i've seen with stuttering are wither:
- insufficient buffer sizes on the incoming stream, so network blips cause stuttering as the buffer drains and has to be refilled
or - network interference/saturation.
if the latter's the case you'll likely experience issues with streaming regardless of what app you, in the former you can increase the buffer sizes in settings. I don't have VLC handy to show you exactly where, but you should be able to find it if you poke around a bit.
- insufficient buffer sizes on the incoming stream, so network blips cause stuttering as the buffer drains and has to be refilled
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@accalia
My primary streams are radionintendo.com (which does play in browser) and animenfo.com (which does not).The specific problem I'm seeing with VLC is that, on seemingly random occassions, it will never successfully buffer up the stream. It will either play back dead silence while the "play time" counter advances in multiples of 2 or 3 seconds, or it will play for 1 second or so, then silence and a 2-3 second skip in the counter, then play for 1 second, etc etc. At the same time, if I start the same stream in Chrome, life's hunky dory. I can even leave both "running" and VLC never actually starts playing correctly. Restarting VLC or even the computer doesn't necessarily fix VLC.
I'm trying to avoid having the stream open in Chrome, because I have a tendency to wind up with a rabbit litter worth of tabs open, and periodically go and just close all the things to clean up and figure out where I'm at with what I'm working on, which then stops my music and harshes my mellow.
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@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
The specific problem I'm seeing with VLC is that, on seemingly random occassions, it will never successfully buffer up the stream.
hmm.... have you tried updating VLC? maybe that's a bug that's been fixed by now?
@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
My primary streams are radionintendo.com (which does play in browser) and animenfo.com (which does not).
i'll see what i can find.
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@accalia
Yes, I'm running the most current version of the player (from mid 2016), and as I kind of alluded to on a separate thread from a month ago, this bug's been outstanding and reported on their forums in 2013. :(
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@loopback0 said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
Windows 10 64-bit
@accalia said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
if you're into Linux CLI
Get with the times!
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@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
@accalia
Yes, I'm running the most current version of the player (from mid 2016), and as I kind of alluded to on a separate thread from a month ago, this bug's been outstanding and reported on their forums in 2013. :(well. bang goes that theory.
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@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
The specific problem I'm seeing with VLC is that, on seemingly random occassions, it will never successfully buffer up the stream. It will either play back dead silence while the "play time" counter advances in multiples of 2 or 3 seconds, or it will play for 1 second or so, then silence and a 2-3 second skip in the counter, then play for 1 second, etc etc. At the same time, if I start the same stream in Chrome, life's hunky dory. I can even leave both "running" and VLC never actually starts playing correctly. Restarting VLC or even the computer doesn't necessarily fix VLC.
What does the message log say when this is happening? It almost sounds like an encapsulation error.
Do you have a few streams we could try out that seem to do this often?
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@Tsaukpaetra
I haven't seen any sort of errors pop up, don't know (and don't terribly care to invest the mental energy to figure out :P ) how to get at any sort of debug / verbose logging in VLC...
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@izzion yeah, better just invest the mental energy to find another player and learn how it works
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@TimeBandit said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
@izzion yeah, better just
invest the mental energy to find another player and learn how it worksto gain Internet street cred by bitching about a product on a random forum, without really making an effort to fix the underlying issueFTFM :P
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@izzion we are not just a random forum, we are TDWTF
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@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
I have a tendency to wind up with a rabbit litter worth of tabs open, and periodically go and just close all the things to clean up and figure out where I'm at with what I'm working on, which then stops my music and harshes my mellow.
If you keep your streaming tabs in a separate window, and keep that window minimized, that shouldn't happen as often.
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@izzion said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
@Tsaukpaetra
I haven't seen any sort of errors pop up, don't know (and don't terribly care to invest the mental energy to figure out :P ) how to get at any sort of debug / verbose logging in VLC...Alright, fine, I'll sit on the sites you mentioned above and see if anything happens. For the record, I'm doing the AAC 64kb stream on the anime one.
... WTF, the site hasn't had any news for over six years?!
No wonder it looks like that... So many things seem broken on it...
Simple enough I guess.
Wait...
Are they just stitching the mp3 files together? Well, whatever that shouldn't cause too many problems so long as they're all the same bitrate or whatever...
Anyways, it's easy enough to increase the buffer size for network streams in VLC, just do like so:
See if that helps. If it does, that means your internet is too unstable. If it doesn't, maybe it really is a decoder error.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
See if that helps.
No, that won't help. This is open source software, so none of its settings could possibly be relevant to fixing my issue. Or if they are, they shouldn't be hidden by default. Or if they aren't, then there are too many settings. It should just always work properly without needing to be tweaked ever, like Windows Media Player.
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@flabdablet said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
like Windows Media Player.
Equivalent setting in WMP if you're curious:
Which of course is hidden under a menu that only appears if you press Alt (Totally discoverable!) (or stumble into it by clicking "Organize") then "Options", then "Performance".
Also, you forgot to signal your .
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Well, I've been listening to the Radio Nintendo stream for like 2 hours....
How long does it take until it starts glitching out?
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@izzion I use SMPlayer.
Didn't try internet radio, but it can play videos directly from youtube, so should handle streams.
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@Tsaukpaetra
When it sucks, it sucks immediately.When it works, it works all day.
I haven't been able to ID any sort of pattern to the sucks vs works. :(
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
I'm still waiting for my 'Turbo Mode'!
And I expect you want that to slow things down?
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@izzion When it sucks, did you try a reboot (since you're on Windows) ?
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@TimeBandit
Yes. Some times that fixes it, some times multiple reboots (and/or multiple days, this computer gets powered down and moved with me when I go home from work) don't fix it.
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@izzion WiFi VS Ethernet cable ?
Did you check your network stats (dropped packets, etc) ?
Maybe a bad device and/or driver.I use VLC to stream movies from my NAS and never had a problem.
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@TimeBandit said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
@izzion yeah, better just invest the mental energy to find another player and learn how it works
If the alternative is to keep using VLC then it's well worth it.
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@hungrier said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
If the alternative is to keep using VLC then it's well worth it.
VLC is far from perfect, but if you know a media player that supports almost as much formats, please share the knowledge.
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@TimeBandit Media Player Classic, although as I mentioned Winamp is better for audio.
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@hungrier said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
@TimeBandit Media Player Classic, although as I mentioned
Winampfoobar2000 is better for audio.
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Well, some of us use a Real OSâ„¢
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@TimeBandit So keep using your RealPlayer. I'll be over here enjoying civilization.
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@TimeBandit
Ethernet. Given that the browser version of the stream works at the exact same time as the failure in VLC, I didn't check any of the other items.
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@hungrier said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
I'll be over here enjoying civilization.
Civilization is moving more and more to mobile devices. In that market, Windows share looks like a rounding error.
VLC runs on Windows/Linux/Mac/iOS/Android.
Mac's market share is bigger than XP and Vista, and almost the same as Win8.
Maybe MPC's dev should get their head out of their ass and start compiling it for other OS
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@TimeBandit Android has MXPlayer. I hardly ever watch downloaded videos on Mac but when I do it's probably with the built-in player.
If Lunix doesn't have a good media player that isn't my problem.
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@TimeBandit said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
Maybe MPC's dev should get their head out of their ass and start compiling it for other OS
If people did things like that, we'd have a whole lot less problems. Sadly, most Linux software is made by people like you, who only believe in supporting other Real OS TM, and consider compiling for other systems dirty. These days, it's even worse - people usually just stop at Ubuntu compatibility.
Microsoft went out of their way to add an Ubuntu subsystem to try and solve this. And you get to have Wine.
But seriously, no one does this, not even your precious unix variants. VLC is a very rare case, but it's also a perfect example of the kind of thing all open source devs love: it hardly works, its bugs don't get fixed, but it RUNS ON EVERYTHING so it should be the STANDARD.
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@Magus said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
Sadly, most Linux software is made by people like you, who only believe in supporting other Real OS TM
VLC is a very rare case
Weird, I see LibreOffice, Firefox, Chrome, MySQL/MariaDB,Thunderbird, VLC, Apache, and almost every other software I use is available for Windows, Linux and Mac.
On the other hand, Visual Studio, IE, Edge, Outlook, Word, Excel, Exchange etc are only available for Windows.
@Magus said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
Microsoft went out of their way to add an Ubuntu subsystem to try and solve this.
No, they did this only to stop the bleeding of devs moving to Linux/Mac because most of the webservers are running Linux.
Get real
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@TimeBandit I like how your software example specifically listed things in different categories, to wipe away things like SQL Server, which run absolutely counter to your point, alongside explicit untruth, like word and outlook only working on Windows.
And you're telling me to get real?
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@Magus said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
@TimeBandit things like SQL Server
SQL server on Linux is pretty new. Is it out of beta testing yet ?
@Magus said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
alongside explicit untruth, like word and outlook only working on Windows.
Yeah, sorry for my mistake. Word and Outlook is available on
Linux andMacOSOn the other hand, you're saying that VLC is a very rare case. Yeah, right
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@TimeBandit Its good to know android isn't Linux.
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@Magus It's also good to know Win10, 8, 8.1, Vista and XP are not Windows since LibreOffice, Firefox, Chrome, MySQL/MariaDB,Thunderbird, Apache, and almost every other software I use is NOT available for Windows.
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@TimeBandit said in Media player for Internet Radio streams on W10?:
@Magus It's also good to know Win10, 8, 8.1, Vista and XP are not Windows since LibreOffice, Firefox, Chrome, MySQL/MariaDB,Thunderbird, Apache, and almost every other software I use is NOT available for Windows.
Since apparently you're arguing with someone you made up, I'll leave you to it. You're making up stuff so insane I don't even know how you think anyone would want to try discussing anything with you.
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@Magus For most practical purposes, it's not. The kernel is the same but it has a brand new system API on top.