Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump
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Make Oracle great again. Apple, Google and of course Aamzon are all biased.
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“Therefore I must resign from this once great company.”
I thought he worked for Oracle. :P
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@HardwareGeek Oracle is definately great in size.
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@Gąska said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
@HardwareGeek Oracle is definately great in size of its staff lawyer.
FTFY
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@dse said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
@Gąska said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
@HardwareGeek Oracle is definately great in size of its staff lawyer.
FTFY
Fat shaming?
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@dse said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Make Oracle great again. Apple, Google and of course Aamzon are all biased.
So, he quit in order to make sure Oracle didn't get involved in Trump's divisive policies....
"Give an ideology enough rope..."
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@xaade said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
@dse said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Make Oracle great again. Apple, Google and of course Aamzon are all biased.
So, he quit in order to make sure Oracle didn't get involved in Trump's divisive policies....
"Give an ideology enough rope..."
If you ask me; I think he cut the ropes because Oracle is going to be a dying star soon to explode into billions of tiny shards of software patents ...
Unless Trump is going to bail them out by reinstating/reaffirming the legality of software patents.
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@dse said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
If you ask me; I think he cut the ropes because Oracle is going to be a dying star soon to explode into billions of tiny shards of software patents ...
Yeah.
Been watching around and it looks like there's a whole bunch of, "let me do this thing that would otherwise expose a problem, but I'll blame Trump and his divisiveness because... it works... and I'm not going to think about why it works." It's like the blame Bush thing on steroids.
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@HardwareGeek said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
“Therefore I must resign from this once great company.”
I thought he worked for Oracle. :P
No, he's right. Oracle was once a great company. You know, back in the 80s.
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@xaade said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
It's like the blame
BushObama thing on steroids.Updated that for you.
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@asdf Obama got blamed for things he actually did, though. Even if those things weren't bad, it was on him.
Bush got blamed for levies blowing up...which didn't even blow up.
Trump's being blamed for a company doing bad, that deserves to lose, and Trump hasn't even enacted policy yet.
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@xaade You are suffering from a massive case of the horse blinders, my dear.
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@powerlord said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Oracle was once a great company. You know, back in the 80s.
I would be reluctant to believe it was great even then, at least for any definition of great that an employee would use to describe an employer. I remember in the late 80s it had a reputation as an employer from Hell, luring new college grads without enough real-world experience to know better with the promise of $$$$$, then working them until they turned into empty husks sitting in the corner, rocking back and forth while staring vacantly into nothingness, then dumping them and hiring the next batch of NCGs.
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@xaade said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
It's like the blame
BushNixon thing on steroids.FTFY. Shrub at least started the war he got blamed for (sort of). Toxin got the blame for something that was already happening, which is what is happening to Dump... but seeing how Embalmer got shat on for the Great Recession, I guess turnabout is fair play...
I wonder if anyone ever blamed FDR for the Great Depression. Well, aside from GavinoLearning, but he's crazier than Swampy.
Of course, that brings us back around to bashing Oracle.
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@ScholRLEA as a European, I'd love if you used the actual names of US presidents in your post, so I'd know what the fuck you're talking about.
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@ScholRLEA said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Shrub
Bush (Snr or Jr?)
@ScholRLEA said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Toxin
???
@ScholRLEA said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Dump
Fart
@ScholRLEA said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Embalmer
Eisenhower?
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@RaceProUK Embalmer == Obama?
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@Gąska Also,
@ScholRLEA said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
FDR
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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@coderpatsy said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
@RaceProUK Embalmer == Obama?
Yes. I try to be an equal-opportunity heckler.
@RaceProUK said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
@ScholRLEA said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Toxin
???
Nixon. When I was growing up, he went from being the president who was getting blamed for The Vietnam War, which had been going on before he was elected and which he was elected in the first place partly on the promise of ending (to be fair, he only made a token effort to keep that promise), to being seen as Public Enemy #1 after ordering people to break into a political rival's office to steal any files they might find that might incriminate said rival, to being an elder statesman who was horribly vilified by the Left for having the poor taste to get caught breaking the law and interfering with criminal investigations into his personal (i.e., not government employed) agents.
Oh, regarding our favorite help-vampire Randroid lunatic, this post actually is the one which quotes him claiming that Roosevelt was responsible for the Great Depression. For the record, the Great Depression hit the US in 1929, one year into Herbert Hoover's administration, and three before FDR took office - mainly on the promise of ending the Depression (which, as I already mentioned, actually ended about two months before the election, but he was the one who had to clean up the mess afterwards, so he usually gets the credit for 'ending' it about six years later - though a lot of people here who don't know what they are talking about say it didn't actually end until the US entry into WWII in late 1941, which is total horseshit because, if nothing else, the US had already moved into a wartime production economy by the end of 1939, selling arms to the UK and France - especially after the start of Lend-Lease in 1940 - and later, the USSR).
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@ScholRLEA said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Oh, regarding our favorite help-vampire Randroid lunatic, this post actually is the one which quotes him claiming that Roosevelt was responsible for the Great Depression. For the record, the Great Depression hit the US in 1929, one year into Herbert Hoover's administration, and three before FDR took office - mainly on the promise of ending the Depression (which, as I already mentioned, actually ended about two months before the election, but he was the one who had to clean up the mess afterwards, so he usually gets the credit for 'ending' it about six years later - though a lot of people here who don't know what they are talking about say it didn't actually end until the US entry into WWII in late 1941, which is total horseshit because, if nothing else, the US had already moved into a wartime production economy by the end of 1939, selling arms to the UK and France - especially after the start of Lend-Lease in 1940 - and later, the USSR).
OMG! That proves that FDR is capable of transcending causality! Is there no limit to the lengths that he'll go to in order to impose liberal values on the God-fearing American public?!
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@djls45 said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
@Gąska Also,
@ScholRLEA said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
FDR
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
That one I knew - because it's used by more than one person in the world.
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@Rhywden said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
@xaade You are suffering from a massive case of the horse blinders, my dear.
That was the joke.
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@ScholRLEA said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
get caught breaking the law and interfering with criminal investigations into his personal (i.e., not government employed) agents.
He wasn't smart enough to get the FBI director in on the cut.
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@ScholRLEA said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
to being seen as Public Enemy #1 after ordering people to break into a political rival's office to steal any files they might find that might incriminate said rival
Uh...I thought he just covered it up but wasn't involved in the actual burglary. Or at least, there's never been any evidence linking him to it other than the cover up.
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@dkf said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
OMG! That proves that FDR is capable of transcending causality! Is there no limit to the lengths that he'll go to in order to impose liberal values on the God-fearing American public?!
There was, actually! He wouldn't support public employee unions.
I disagree a bit about what @ScholRLEA says about the Depression ending before FDR took office. It should have ended, but Hoover made it worse and FDR continued the tradition and helped continue the awfulness with terrible protectionist and other economic interventions.
I'm not sure what he thinks about the deflation and massive unemployment and why that's not important.
Also, the real boom happened after WWII when the private economy got back into business and a lot of the New Deal and wartime stuff was rolled back. Basically the opposite of what fans of economic planning thought would happen.
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@boomzilla I am not saying it wasn't important; I was making a ic point about the term 'depression'. Most of the things that happened due to the part that an economist would call a 'depression' happened well after the lowest point in the curve.
My real point (aside from being a snarky and contrarian little shit) has to do with the temporal distance that often separates causes and affects, and the difficulty in assigning guilt or credit for things. The Reagan era economic boom had more to do with internal politics of the OPEC nations in 1977 than with anything going on in the US in 1983, and the setup for the Clinton era boom occurred when Nixon was president (not that Nixon was likely to have even been briefed on the subject of ARPAnet, but whatever).
As for the post-war boom that started around 1948 or so, well, when you are the only industrial power of note which didn't get a large part of its labor pool slaughtered and almost all of its manufacturing base flattened, and you are in a position to be the only one making and selling all the goods people need to rebuild, you tend to do pretty well for a while. No comment on the economic planning bullshit, beyond saying: Let these two asses be set to grind corn.
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@boomzilla said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Also, the real boom happened after WWII when the private economy got back into business and a lot of the New Deal and wartime stuff was rolled back. Basically the opposite of what fans of economic planning thought would happen.
Which is why the official story is the way it is.
In a mixed economy, any successes are credited to government, and any failures are blamed on the market.
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... and why no one talks about the Depression and how it was fixed. No, not that one... the one in 1920-21.
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@lolwhat said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
... and why no one talks about the Depression and how it was fixed.
I believe they added some missing indices and a few judicious optimizer hints.
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@antiquarian said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
In a mixed economy, any successes are credited to government, and any failures are blamed on the market.
By who? Certainly not by you. You're doing the exact opposite.
What I normally observe is everything is blamed on the president, no matter what that president actually did.
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@Bort said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
By who?
The people who wrote the official story, of course. Are you having context issues?
@Bort said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
What I normally observe is everything is blamed on the president, no matter what that president actually did.
I certainly didn't mean to rule out blaming politicians of other parties as an option.
@Bort said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
You're doing the exact opposite.
I'll probably regret asking, but how so?
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@antiquarian said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Are you having context issues?... The people who wrote the official story, of course.
Clearly... so what's "the official story"? Is this a report put out by the Department of Commerce or something? You're starting to sound like a 9/11 truther.
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@Bort said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
You're starting to sound like a 9/11 truther.
And you're starting to sound like @flabdablet. Will you post an unfunny webcomic to go along with your lazy putdown?
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@antiquarian said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
And you're starting to sound like @flabdablet.
Yikes, ok... but what do you mean by "official story"? What makes it the official story and not just a popular notion?
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@Bort I forgot the scare quotes around "official story". Maybe conventional wisdom would be more accurate. The point is that "everyone knows" FDR and his New Deal got us out of the Great Depression.
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@antiquarian said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Maybe conventional wisdom would be more accurate.
OK, that's what I was getting at - and that it's not the conventional wisdom with everyone.
@antiquarian said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
The point is that "everyone knows" FDR and his New Deal got us out of the Great Depression.
Yeah, but a large part of the population, including you, doesn't believe that. You seem to be overestimating the amount of ideological opposition you face. Including on this forum, especially in trolley bus threads, where it seems like most people on your side.
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@Bort said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Yeah, but a large part of the population, including you, doesn't believe that.
That may be true, but I haven't seen it.
@Bort said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
You seem to be overestimating the amount of ideological opposition you face. Including on this forum, especially in trolley bus threads, where it seems like most people on your side.
Or maybe you've been spending too much time here and think we're representative of the general population. Go spend some time on reddit (I know, yuck!) or quora and you may change your mind about that.
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@antiquarian said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Or maybe you've been spending too much time here and think we're representative of the general population.
"Perhaps" and "no" in that order.
How might we get an impression of what the general population thinks?
Headline might be a bit misleading: conservatives 37% vs. moderates 35% vs liberals 24%. Also, people don't seem to know what these words mean, you ask people on specific issues and they'll give you more progressive or conservative answers by topic. Also not broken down for economic issues.
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@Bort said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Headline might be a bit misleading: conservatives 37% vs. moderates 35% vs liberals 24%. Also, people don't seem to know what these words mean, you ask people on specific issues and they'll give you more progressive or conservative answers by topic. Also not broken down for economic issues.
It gets even more complicated than that when you realize that today's conservative has many of the same opinions as 1980's liberal.
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@antiquarian said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
It gets even more complicated than that when you realize that today's conservative has many of the same opinions as 1980's liberal.
I was (mostly, depending on the specific issue) moderate-liberal in the 1980s. My opinions have definitely shifted to the right since then, but the "center" has also shifted to the left — a lot. I still tend to think of myself as moderate-conservative, but a lot of people would call me far-right.
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@lolwhat said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
the Depression and how it was fixed.
Prozac!
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@HardwareGeek said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
My opinions have definitely shifted to the right since then, but the "center" has also shifted to the left — a lot.
I suspect that it depends on which policy you're looking at. Socially, you're likely correct; things have noticeably shifted, and not just in the US. Economically, I'm not convinced nearly so much, but maybe: the relatively-well-known facts that it is comparatively liberal areas that have had economic success in recent years and significant part of the population tend to try to emulate their more successful peers in all things (both good and bad) might well act that way.
I'm trying to avoid ascribing a value judgement to the changes. The fact of the changes and the forces driving them are interesting in themselves.
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@dkf said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
Socially, you're likely correct; things have noticeably shifted, and not just in the US
But isn't that always true? Today's conservatism is a call back to yesterday's progressive values, isn't it?
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@dkf said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
I suspect that it depends on which policy you're looking at. Socially, you're likely correct; things have noticeably shifted, and not just in the US. Economically, I'm not convinced nearly so much, but maybe:
I was thinking particularly of social issues. Behavior that was scandalous in the 1980s is now not merely acceptable; enthusiastic endorsement is now mandatory.
@dkf said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
I'm trying to avoid ascribing a value judgement to the changes.
I do not share your avoidance, and the value judgment I ascribe shouldn't surprise anyone here. After all, I just said my opinions have, to a large extent, been shifting in the opposite direction from society's.
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@Yamikuronue said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
But isn't that always true?
On one level, maybe, but there's no reason why a culture has to always change strictly in one direction. If it was more conservative approaches that were more economically successful (for whatever reason) then I'd expect the arrow of change to be pointing in that direction.
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@dkf Sure, economically. But socially it's generally true that societies become more liberal over time.
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@Yamikuronue said in Oracle exec quits over co-CEO Safra Catz's promise to assist Trump:
But socially it's generally true that societies become more liberal over time.
I don't believe you. Not generally. There must be some mechanism that pushes back the other way from time to time (unless the effect is of a series converging to a limit, but then who really cares). If the contrary effect is something that happens catastrophically and rarely but with large impact when it occurs, that would be entirely sufficient for my argument to be sustained.
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@dkf Every few hundred years it seems like you get major catastrophic events that push the other way, yeah. But I'm talking about general societal drift, particularly using the democratic processes.
It does seem like we're more liberal than our previous civilizations 2k years ago, but that might be myopic. I'm not a historian, so I'm not 100% sure on that.