Is my bits enough to do gamez?
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Well fuck, looks like Telltale's Walking Dead S3 is only coming out for PS4, Ex Bone, and PC. No PS3 release. I've got no desire to buy a Ad Platform Console-- but I did just get this shiny new laptop.
I haven't kept up with what graphic cards do what since I helped someone build a desktop for the original launch of World of Warcraft. I have a-- uh-- a this thing:
Is that a good? Will I be able to
see Grumpy Catplay a Telltale game?
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@Lorne-Kates It only requires a GTS 450, so that card should be fine. http://store.steampowered.com/app/536220/
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@Lorne-Kates
Everyone knows you can't play games on a laptop
As long as the game can correctly interface with the laptop's "do the 3D on the dedicated GPU and then send all the rendering to the integrated GPU", you should be fine. Might also be worth perusing the driver release notes to see if any have
bug fixesoptimizations for Walking Dead, but i expect it would work.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Is that a good?
Better than mine...
I played Minecraft Story Mode fine.
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@izzion said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
@Lorne-Kates
Everyone knows you can't play games on a laptopWhat? 4 FPS is totally playable!
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@izzion said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Everyone knows you can't play games on a laptop
My dad asked me if a store listing for a gaming laptop looked good and I told him there's no such thing as a good gaming laptop. You can have at most two of those words together.
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Hehe, one better than you.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Well fuck, looks like Telltale's Walking Dead S3 is only coming out for PS4, Ex Bone, and PC. No PS3 release. I've got no desire to buy a Ad Platform Console-- but I did just get this shiny new laptop.
I haven't kept up with what graphic cards do what since I helped someone build a desktop for the original launch of World of Warcraft. I have a-- uh-- a this thing:
Is that a good? Will I be able to
see Grumpy Catplay a Telltale game?I played Skyrim at full resolution, and Fallout 4 at 720p, on a 560M. (As well as Borderlands 1/2/ps/tt)
That "thing" might beat your PS3 anyway.
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@ben_lubar said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
My dad asked me if a store listing for a gaming laptop looked good and I told him there's no such thing as a good gaming laptop. You can have at most two of those words together.
First of all: Minesweeper and Solitaire
Second: my laptop of ten years ago was good enough to play Jedi Outcast and Super Smash Bros on an N64 emulator (though not simultaneously).
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@Zecc said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Jedi Outcast and Super Smash Bros
Petition to add Kyle Katarn to Smash Bros!
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Telltale's games have never really required high-end graphics cards.
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@ben_lubar said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
no such thing as a good gaming laptop.
E_NO_REPRO
I use a gaming laptop and I am happy with it. I can even play VR games (like this). Everyone says this is "not supported" or "there will be a lot of problems" but that does not stop the games from working or me from enjoying them.
And the computer is thinner than 2cm.
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I game on my laptop all the time, and it's not even a gaming laptop. I don't play Skyrim, but I play the likes of Minecraft, Don't Starve, and occasionally a Telltale game with no problems.
Games don't have to be graphics-intensive to be fun anymore.
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@Yamikuronue said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Games don't have to be graphics-intensive to be fun
QFTMFT
Now, if someone could tell that to all the AAA studios that keep going "LUUK @ TEH GARPHIKZ!!1", I'd be grateful
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@Onyx
If this post gets 721 likes, Super Smash Bros will get a DLC patch to add Kyle Katarn!
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@SlackerD said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
It only requires a GTS 450,
@Tsaukpaetra said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
@Lorne-Kates said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Is that a good?
Better than mine...
@xaade said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
I played Skyrim at full resolution, and Fallout 4 at 720p, on a 560M
This is what pisses me off about graphics card discussions. People just act like it's obvious which is better out of 560M and GTS-450, and I'm here like "um, I think I have an NVidia, but I might be wrong. Which one is Radeon again?"
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@Jaloopa
At the risk of being accused of help-rape...- NVidia and AMD (Radeon) are the two chipset makers in the GPU space.
- Each manufacturer has adopted a general numbering pattern of [generation][line][X] where X is the last digit that basically means nothing (usually a 0 or 5), line is the second to last digit that indicates relative power of the card within its generation -- higher = more power -- and all other digits to the left are the generation number, which increases semver style. Roughly one generation per year for each manufacturer.
The generation numbers don't really line up between the two vendors. And they've been reset at least once by each vendor, with a prepend letter added/removed/changed as part of the numbering reset.
And of course the other dirty secret is that X70 chips are just X90s that failed the QA upcheck, so they disable some shades and limit the clock speeds and call it a lower power budget model.
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@izzion what about GTS vs GTX, knowing whether a higher power from an earlier generation is better than a lower power from a later generation, how the M affects things (I know it's Mobile, for laptops but is an xxxM almost as good as the main xxx, or more like an x(x-2)x, or an (x-1)xx, or generally unknowable), rre 4 digit cards better or worse than 3 digit cards etc.? It's far more complicated than the usual explanations make it out to be and nobody ever seems to acknowledge this.
I once read an article about the new simpler naming scheme one of the manufacturers was switching to. The breakdown still spanned two pages
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@Jaloopa I think the only way to know for sure is to look up the actual specs
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@RaceProUK which also don't make any fucking sense. What's a stream processor and what's a good number of them to have? Fucked if I know.
When I need a new graphics card, my procedure is as follows:
- Ask my brother if he's upgrading his soon and feels like giving me his old one
- If the answer is no, consider whether I can survive on my existing card until the answer is yes
- If the answer is no, find something that compares frame rates in a game I'm interested in and find the highest on the list that's not a silly price
- Hope it lasts at least 5 years so I don't have to go through that shit again
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@Jaloopa
Pretty much when I'm shopping for video cards, I have to resort to these:
My primary comparison critera are fillrate and memory bandwidth (bigger numbers are better, though be careful across generations there may be comparisons that cross the Mega to Giga barrier). Memory quantity matters a little bit, but bandwidth is generally the more common limiter. Processing power is generally only relevant if you're a BitCon miner.
As in CPU territory, GPUs with a smaller die size (fabrication) will generally consume less power & generate less heat than their brethren from previous larger die size generations.
So, basically, unlike the bedroom, size is the only thing that matters here :P
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@izzion said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Everyone knows you can't play games on a laptop
Toby Faire, I'm going to hook up an HDMI cable to the TV, and use an external gamepad controller-- or external keyboard/mouse combo, depending on the game.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
@aliceif said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Hehe,
oneten better than you.Do you even Maths?
One in graphics cards means ten. Except when it means 100, because the manufacturers have moved to a "simpler" naming scheme
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@Jaloopa
Unless you're really into E-peen, a reasonable rubric for buying cards is:- Pick the vendor you purchased from (inherited from) last, unless that card was a piece of shit in which case change vendors.
- Find out what generation is their most current generation
- Buy the X70 card from that generation
- Install
- ???
- Profit!
Also, I usually update my PSU at the same time as the video card. Not necessarily because I have to, but because the PSU is the second most likely part to wear out (after a spinning rust hard drive, so the most likely part in a computer that has a SSD), and a bad power supply will reduce the useful life of your new shiny GPU in a hurry if it passes a surge through. Plus, the GPU is the single biggest consumer of power in the system, so if you find the TDP figure of the GPU and multiply by 4-6, you have a decent ballpark wattage to get for the new PSU.
(More completely, you can take TDP of GPU + TDP of CPU + a fudge factor of about 20% assuming you don't have a shit load of drives in the system and get the max power draw of your system. Most power supplies are most efficient at 50% load, so you take what you came up with for max power draw, multiply by 2, and that's your target power supply wattage).
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@Jaloopa said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
What's a stream processor and what's a good number of them to have? Fucked if I know.
I'll admit, I don't really know what a stream processor is either. What I do know though is the better cards in general tend to have more of them, so I figure they're a bit like RAM: you can never have too many.
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A laptop with a GPU that old is shiny and new? Sure, fine, it's still a passable card. I'd watch the heat levels, most shiny new laptops capable of running things run too hot when running them and therefore can't run them long :/
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@izzion said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Pretty much when I'm shopping for video cards, I have to resort to these:
In my experience, you can just ignore Intel, their GPU is crap for gaming.
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@TimeBandit
The Core i7 gen 6 CPUs have some models that include the Iris Pro GPU, which is comparable to -1 gen x70 GPUs from AMD/NVidia.For a small form factor / quiet box, can be a pretty good option. And obviously save quite a bit on PSU / case / the GPU costs.
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@Yamikuronue said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
I game on my laptop all the time, and it's not even a gaming laptop. ... Games don't have to be graphics-intensive to be fun anymore.
Ditto, and my laptop is a netbook-level Windows convertible tablet. Sure, it won't play Arkham Knight, but it's fine with various older RPGs, Civ-likes, emulators, and such.
For desktop graphics cards, I generally aim for spending ~$350 and buy after a new set of cards comes out; the outgoing set's capabilities and quirks will be pretty well known by then. Typically that's a -70 model chip (as mentioned earlier) but some generations it shifts around. (Ex: right now nVidia 1060s are supposed to be good price/performance, I believe.) For quick comparisons I like these lists of numbers, though like all benchmarks you'll want an entire container of salt.
Sadly, I haven't had a modern dual graphics laptop; many years ago I had a desktop replacement laptop with a mobile chip, and since then my personal portables have been low-end (== Intel only).
Time to work on that backlog of games, I guess. :)
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@Magus said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
A laptop with a GPU that old is shiny and new?
It's @Lorne-Kates, so "new" means "probably less than a decade old".
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@RaceProUK said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
so I figure they're a bit like RAM
More like processor cores. Bigger is better since pretty much all GPU operations are massively parallel already, but there are more bottlenecks to look at (memory access is a huge one, multiple cores sharing an ALU is another, obviously clock speed is important...)
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@Jaloopa said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
This is what pisses me off about graphics card discussions. People just act like it's obvious which is better out of 560M and GTS-450, and I'm here like "um, I think I have an NVidia, but I might be wrong. Which one is Radeon again?"
http://gpuboss.com/compare-gpus
AMD generally gets its butt handed to it.
It had one or two points in history where it was better.
But most of the time, it's power/price is significantly lower.
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@izzion said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
- Buy the X70 card from that generation
Depends. the X60 is potentially a better fit if you're not doing high-res gaming/VR.
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@pydsigner
Well, on a 5 year replacement plan, I would put forth the X70 is more likely to be future proof for the entire cycle.An X60 might be showing some wear (using those horrific "Low" settings!
) toward the end of that replacement cycle.On a 2 or 3 year replacement plan, by all means, 60 away.
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@ben_lubar said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
there's no such thing as a good gaming laptop. You can have at most two of those words together.
Where can I buy a good gaming?
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@fbmac
They stopped making those 20 years ago.
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@TimeBandit said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
In my experience, you can just ignore Intel, their GPU is crap for gaming.
And Nvidia is the most well supported if you wanna train convolutional neural networks.
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@Yamikuronue said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
I game on my laptop all the time, and it's not even a gaming laptop. I don't play Skyrim, but I play the likes of Minecraft, Don't Starve, and occasionally a Telltale game with no problems.
Games don't have to be graphics-intensive to be fun anymore.
I do play Skyrim on my laptop, as well as other high-end games, and they run just fine. Anyone who thinks there's no such thing as a good gaming laptop has obviously never used an Alienware system.
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@masonwheeler said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
@Yamikuronue said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
I game on my laptop all the time, and it's not even a gaming laptop. I don't play Skyrim, but I play the likes of Minecraft, Don't Starve, and occasionally a Telltale game with no problems.
Games don't have to be graphics-intensive to be fun anymore.
I do play Skyrim on my laptop, as well as other high-end games, and they run just fine. Anyone who thinks there's no such thing as a good gaming laptop has obviously never used an Alienware system.
Yeah, but those are pricy, and generally the purpose for a laptop is cheap and portable. Alienware systems are not cheap, and they're not necessarily all that portable (higher weight/size ratio, compared to cheaper laptops).
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@aliceif said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Hehe, one better than you.I look at those screenshots and I can't stop wondering: why have everybody suddenly switched to KDE?
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@kt_ said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
@aliceif said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Hehe, one better than you.I look at those screenshots and I can't stop wondering: why have everybody suddenly switched to KDE?
What evidence to support this?
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@masonwheeler said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
@Yamikuronue said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
I game on my laptop all the time, and it's not even a gaming laptop. I don't play Skyrim, but I play the likes of Minecraft, Don't Starve, and occasionally a Telltale game with no problems.
Games don't have to be graphics-intensive to be fun anymore.
I do play Skyrim on my laptop, as well as other high-end games, and they run just fine. Anyone who thinks there's no such thing as a good gaming laptop has obviously never used an Alienware system.
Alienware and other powerful gaming laptops are basically desktops that you can move to a different desk.
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@Jaloopa said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
Alienware and other powerful gaming laptops are basically desktops that you can move to a different desk.
???
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@masonwheeler it all depends what you want the laptop for. I've never really used them, I prefer the better bang for your buck from a proper desktop system
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@Jaloopa Sure, but you can't take one of those on a plane, just for starters...
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@masonwheeler I'm not sure I'd like to take an Alienware on a plane. It would probably use up most of your carry on luggage allowance for a start
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@Jaloopa Nope. From personal experience, pretty much every carrier (in the USA at least; not sure where you live) will have no problem with you bringing one suitcase and one laptop bag. You put your clothes in the suitcase and the Alienware in the laptop bag and everything's fine.
The only annoyance is that planes are starting to offer power plugs these days, but I've never found one yet that can actually power my laptop; apparently they just don't have enough juice.
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@masonwheeler said in Is my bits enough to do gamez?:
you can't take one of those on a plane
Yes you can. But if you want to use it, that may be a problem.
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