Microsoft does it again
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Well, does it work?
If so I don't see the problem.
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@anonymous234 said in Microsoft does it again:
Well, does it work?
If so I don't see the problem.
It's Windows, rebooting is supposed to be part of your daily routine.
I don't see the problem either.
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Windows Update has requested restarts like 4 times in the last 7 days and all I have in my update history is two SQL Server updates that failed to install like a billion times with no details on what went wrong.
I wonder if Microsoft will ever get to the point where their update mechanism works as well as the one on Linux. At least on Linuxes, failed updates don't require a restart.
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@ben_lubar said in Microsoft does it again:
Windows Update has requested restarts like 4 times in the last 7 days and all I have in my update history is two SQL Server updates that failed to install like a billion times with no details on what went wrong.
Be thankfull it was only 4 times in 7 days
I wonder if Microsoft will ever get to the point where their update mechanism works as well as the one on Linux. At least on Linuxes,
failedupdates don't require a restart unless it's the kernel.FTFY
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@ben_lubar said in Microsoft does it again:
At least on Linuxes, failed updates don't require a restart.
The problem is that the update attempts and fails on restart.
I've got a reliability rollup that's failed every restart for the last 2 weeks. Ironic, eh?
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@Jaloopa said in Microsoft does it again:
I've got a reliability rollup that's failed every restart for the last 2 weeks.
It reliably failed, so it works !
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@ben_lubar said in Microsoft does it again:
At least on Linuxes, failed updates don't require a restart.
How do you know until you try booting into the updated OS to see if it still boots or not? I think that requires a restart.
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@LB_ said in Microsoft does it again:
How do you know until you try booting into the updated OS to see if it still boots or not?
Schrödinger's update?
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@TimeBandit said in Microsoft does it again:
It's Windows, rebooting is supposed to be part of your daily routine.
I don't see the problem either.Completely unprovable, but I claim credit for starting that joke.
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@ben_lubar
You just need to change to @mott555's update settings, so that your computer reboots in the middle of encoding a Dwarf Fortress video and still fails to install the updates.
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@izzion said in Microsoft does it again:
@ben_lubar
You just need to change to @mott555's update settings, so that your computer reboots in the middle of encoding a Dwarf Fortress video and still fails to install the updates.Those are the ones pushed out by corporate's Group Policy settings which actually disable Windows 10 updates completely, except they don't work on the so-called Anniversary Edition and I can't change anything.
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You don't even need to restart. Just reset the TCP/IP stack.
netsh interface ipv4 reset
Usually does the trick ;)
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@Inari-Pooltoy said in Microsoft does it again:
You don't even need to restart. Just reset the TCP/IP stack.
netsh interface ipv4 reset
Usually does the trick ;)
See, that's why Linux isn't ready for general use: you always have to resort to the command line to fix things.
At least, with Windows, you have a nice GUI to do those things.
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- I bet there is a GUI for it, probably in a nice, intuitive, discoverable place in the Network section of the control panels.
- How is anyone even supposed to know an arcane incantation like
netsh interface ipv4 reset
in the first place? @Inari-Pooltoy Where did you learn that? I've never even heard ofnetsh
and I'm better-versed in CMD than the average bear.
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@masonwheeler
Netsh has been around since at least Win 2000
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@masonwheeler said in Microsoft does it again:
I've never even heard of netsh and I'm better-versed in CMD than the average bear.
I pretty much never use CMD for reasons other than running code, REPLs, or linux-ish stuff (git, cygwin, etc) and I've run into netsh once or twice.
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I learned it was apparently something you need if you're going to host a standalone web server in a .Net application using OWIN or some crap.
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@masonwheeler as @luhmann said it's been there since at least Win2K. I'd rather not reset my PC to reset the TCP stack. But I guess over 15 years as a dev, and a handful more being support/admin has taught me more than a few tricks ;)
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@Inari-Pooltoy said in Microsoft does it again:
I'd rather not reset my PC to reset the TCP stack. But I guess over 15 years as a dev, and a handful more being support/admin has taught me more than a few tricks
None of those tricks are clearly explaining command line stuff to normal users. It's significantly easier to tell a normal user to restart than it is to explain opening the command prompt, then typing the exact
netsh
command.
In fact, it's easier for me to just reboot my own machine than it would be to remember the exactnetsh
incantation.
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The real question is how did a Windows update manage to break ipv4 in such a way that you needed a restart to fix it. Especially given that Windows Update requires a restart too.
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@Inari-Pooltoy said in Microsoft does it again:
You don't even need to restart. Just reset the TCP/IP stack.
netsh interface ipv4 reset
Usually does the trick ;)
If it doesn't work you can always try cleaning your tcp chimney.
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@ben_lubar said in Microsoft does it again:
SQL Server updates that failed to install like a billion times with no details on what went wrong
You want details? C:\Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log has nothing but details.
Logging is another one of those things that Windows has consistently got wrong. The main Event Log mechanism hits almost the same over-engineered vs. under-designed pain point as Windows Update itself, and the various informal logs are usually so verbose as to be utterly useless.
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@flabdablet You are boring
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@masonwheeler said in Microsoft does it again:
I've never even heard of netsh
Clearly you don't clean up infected PCs for money.
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@lucas1 said in Microsoft does it again:
@flabdablet You are boring
Interesting enough for you to be following me around to tell me how boring I am though.
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@flabdablet your mum's milkman likes fucking her arsehole, and you Dad likes "the milk".
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@flabdablet I haven't posted in reply to you often. So that is obvious bollox.
So I believe you might like being mentioned.
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@lucas1 said in Microsoft does it again:
@flabdablet I haven't posted in reply to you often. So that is obvious bollox.
So I believe you might like being mentioned.
Knock Knock
who's there?
A cunt
a cunt who?
@lucas1