Humble Unix Book Bundle
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16 books, three of which are even from this decade, and most of them are from this millennium.
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@Dreikin so only most of them are out of date?
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@Arantor I thought Linux / Unix was stuck in 70s? How would these books be out of date? They are FROM THE FUTURE
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@Arantor said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
@Dreikin so only most of them are out of date?
Pretty much. Although I'm kinda curious how much lex & yacc have actually changed since, uh... October 1992.
The three up-to-date ones are:
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@Kuro said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
@Arantor I thought Linux / Unix was stuck in 70s? How would these books be out of date? They are FROM THE FUTURE
You jest, but that lex & yacc book has a good review from 2014:
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@Dreikin putting the cheap joke aside, I would have assumed the following would be pretty much up to date too: sed & awk, lex & yacc, GNU emacs, vi and Vim, and maybe the Bash Pocket Reference.
These things do not - as far as I, a mere outsider - bring mass upheaval very often, to the point where you can safely learn them and even if the book is out of date, it is not completely invalidated by being out of date, and not so vague and generic to the point of uselessness (I am not clear on how useful a 'Linux pocket guide' can be when every distro has its own quirks, so unless you're preaching RHEL/CentOS or Debian with 'it might not be exactly the same but probably close enough' caveats everywhere, it's probably not that useful, unless it's really vague beyond the 'here is how you change directory, here is how you create a directory)
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@Arantor said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
@Dreikin putting the cheap joke aside, I would have assumed the following would be pretty much up to date too: sed & awk, lex & yacc, GNU emacs, vi and Vim, and maybe the Bash Pocket Reference.
These things do not - as far as I, a mere outsider - bring mass upheaval very often, to the point where you can safely learn them and even if the book is out of date, it is not completely invalidated by being out of date, and not so vague and generic to the point of uselessness (I am not clear on how useful a 'Linux pocket guide' can be when every distro has its own quirks, so unless you're preaching RHEL/CentOS or Debian with 'it might not be exactly the same but probably close enough' caveats everywhere, it's probably not that useful, unless it's really vague beyond the 'here is how you change directory, here is how you create a directory)
I agree, which is why this isn't in the Sidebar. But it's still amusing to realize at least one of these books was from before the last release of Windows 3.1 (3.11: December 31, 1993). I don't think I even touched a computer until Win 95. Or maybe Doom, but that was released in 1993 too.
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Also... what could these books contain that could not be found on Google?
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@Arantor That new book smell? :P
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@RaceProUK that's ableist, discriminating against the people with no sense of smell!!!!
(I literally - as in actually literally, not internet literally - have no sense of smell, and have never had a sense of smell. I am, of course, joking about the ableism angle.)
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@PleegWat if your e-books smell, there's probably something wrong with your device that necessitates a replacement.
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what's the point of a 'bundle'? books should do one thing and do it well. this violates the unix philosophy. </>
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@bb36e the books individually do one thing and do it well (except where they don't, e.g. 'vi & vim', 'awk &sed', 'lex & yacc'), the bundle is more what you call a distro than a Unix philosophical entity.
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@Arantor said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
am not clear on how useful a 'Linux pocket guide' can be when every distro has its own quirks, so unless you're preaching RHEL/CentOS or Debian with 'it might not be exactly the same but probably close enough' caveats everywhere, it's probably not that useful, unless it's really vague beyond the 'here is how you change directory, here is how you create a directory
All hail the SystemD the grand unifier.
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@Arantor said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
Also... what could these books contain that could not be found on Google?
You can put them on a shelf
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@Arantor said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
@RaceProUK that's ableist, discriminating against the people with no sense of smell!!!!
(I literally - as in actually literally, not internet literally - have no sense of smell, and have never had a sense of smell. I am, of course, joking about the ableism angle.)
Is that what you tell yourself so you can live with English food?
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@Dreikin no, actually diagnosed with a medical condition. Though British food isn't exactly improved by lacking a large chunk of its 'flavour', it's also not exactly ruined either ;)
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@Arantor said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
@Dreikin no, actually diagnosed with a medical condition.
Just congenital anosmia or something else, if you don't mind me asking?
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@Dreikin it's been nearly twenty years since I got the diagnosis and I don't really remember the technical name, but essentially there's a lack of nerve connections between the nose and the brain. There is a kind of connection because I can breathe through my nose and the usual filtration behaviour works, but there's no connection from the olfactory nerves to the brain.
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@Arantor I really don't know whether I should consider that a superpower or a disability. On one hand, you're probably unable to recognize the great variety of flavors in food and drinks; from what I've read you can only sense the basic flavors and, of course, the consistency of food without a sense of smell. On the other hand, you will never realize how badly people suck at seasoning what they cook and happily enjoy many meals that I would probably hate.
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@asdf my tongue was tested too, it's more sensitive to flavour than a "normal tongue" should be so there's that. Really fun part: strong odours in the air are tastable. Usually the nasty ones.
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@Arantor said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
Really fun part: strong odours in the air are tastable. Usually the nasty ones.
You have a strange definition of "fun".
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@asdf Your sarcasm detector's worse than Arantor's smell detector.
inb4
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@asdf said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
@Arantor said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
Really fun part: strong odours in the air are tastable. Usually the nasty ones.
You have a strange definition of "fun".
That's not surprising at all given that he used to proclaim himself as a masochist. ;)
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@JBert I write PHP! What else would you call me???
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@coderpatsy said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
@asdf Your sarcasm detector's worse than Arantor's smell detector.
I threw it away; it always made beeping noises whenever I said anything.
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@Arantor said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
it's been nearly twenty years since I got the diagnosis and I don't really remember the technical name
Anosmia
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@Dreikin said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
Although I'm kinda curious how much lex & yacc have actually changed since, uh... October 1992.
That's actually more recent than the last time I used lex & yacc.
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@Arantor said in Humble Unix Book Bundle:
(I literally - as in actually literally, not internet literally - have no sense of smell, and have never had a sense of smell.
I would be interested in how/when you realized that there was such a thing called a sense of smell and that you did not have it. I can imagine someone being relatively old before anyone discovered that for sure.
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@chozang I was about 7 when I realised and 13 before I convinced the NHS to do tests. I think it started because my dad said that dinner smelled good and I asked if you have to do something to smell things.