"Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action
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So apparently making live-action, more "realistic" versions of Disney cartoons is a big thing lately. We've seen it with Snow White, and then Sleeping Beauty, (Maleficent gave it the Wicked treatment recently,) and next up is one of the most beloved-by-children-yet-horrifying-to-adults films in the entire Disney canon: Beauty and the Beast.
Let me make it clear: if I had a daughter, I would not let her watch Disney's Beauty and the Beast until she was old enough to make her own decisions without parental input. If she ended up seeing it before then anyway, I'd be very angry at whatever parent-of-a-friend allowed my impressionable little girl to be exposed to the message of the story, because the message of this story literally kills women.
This is a movie about a woman living with an angry man with a violent temper, who uses his temper to intimidate her into doing what he wants rather than what she wants, who withholds affection as a means of coercion, who locks her up and doesn't let her leave, and many other behaviors that, in the real world, are red-flag signs of an abusive relationship. And the message it teaches is that if you just stick with him and love him enough, he will eventually change his ways and love you back.
This is not how it works. There are plenty of sweet, trusting girls who think that's how it works, and all too often they end up in the hospital, or dead, because they ignored clear warning signs and thought they could change him.
If my hypothetical young daughter ever saw that movie, I'd tell her, "if you ever end up in a relationship with someone who treats you like that beast treated Belle, run away as soon as you can, as fast as you can. If necessary, you should even go to Gaston and enlist him and his posse in protecting you, because staying with a Beast of a boyfriend is even worse."
But for some reason, Disney wants to make more of it.
I really hope someone at Disney takes a long, hard, honest look at the subject matter and finds some way to adjust the script accordingly.
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@masonwheeler Aaaaand.... Disney also makes films telling impressionable young children to ignore their parent's advice, amongst other things. Disney's reputation as a family-friendly purveyor of filmography is entirely unwarranted.
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@masonwheeler said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
I really hope someone at Disney takes a long, hard, honest look at the subject matter and finds some way to adjust the script accordingly.
Non-Disney version?
Don't worry, Phelous has you covered on this one.
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@masonwheeler said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
go to Gaston
Gaston was a controlling asshole, too. The moral of the story is: All men are assholes.
Belle and the Ms. Teapot should run away together and start a new lesbian, trans-organic life together.
And they can bring that triple-dildo candle guy with them. He seems like a cuck.
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@pydsigner said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
Disney also makes films telling impressionable young children to ignore their parent's advice
Since when did Disney start letting parents live?
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@masonwheeler said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
There are plenty of sweet, trusting girls who think that's how it works
Where? All I seem to encounter are a bunch of entitled hypergamists. Of course, part of that might be because I live too close to Hollywood for Ugly People.
I really hope someone at Disney takes a long, hard, honest look at the subject matter and finds some way to adjust the script accordingly.
Holding a fairy tale to 21st century morés is kind of missing the point, but you might get me on board if we can also get producers to stop making movies where the awkward/unattractive guy/girl gets the attractive girl/guy at the end. It's simply not realistic to assume that there's someone like that available for everyone.
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@Groaner said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
Of course, part of that might be because I live too close to Hollywood for Ugly People.
Georgia?
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@Lorne-Kates said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
@Groaner said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
Of course, part of that might be because I live too close to Hollywood for Ugly People.
Georgia?
No, gotta be Vancouver. That seems to be where everything is filmed these days.
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@boomzilla said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
No, gotta be Vancouver. That seems to be where everything is filmed these days.
Huh. It used to be Toronto that was the first choice for Somewhere City, USA…
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@dkf It used to be that the semi-arid hills of Southern California were the backdrop of everywhere. Now it's damp British Columbian forest.
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@masonwheeler said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
This is a movie about a woman living with an angry man with a violent temper, who uses his temper to intimidate her into doing what he wants rather than what she wants, who withholds affection as a means of coercion, who locks her up and doesn't let her leave, and many other behaviors that, in the real world, are red-flag signs of an abusive relationship. And the message it teaches is that if you just stick with him and love him enough, he will eventually change his ways and love you back.
Hmm...
I think... where we went wrong is when we started expecting every movie to be a moral story that we should imitate.
Next you'll be telling me that we should stop showing Snow White because a woman living with 7 men is dangerous.
I mean, Cinderella literally lied about her economic condition to get the prince to fall in love. If that's not androgyny, I don't know what is. To be fair, Disney balanced it out by having Aladdin do the same.
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@boomzilla said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
It used to be that the semi-arid hills of Southern California were the backdrop of everywhere.
According to old series of Dr Who, every single planet in the universe looks exactly like the same slate mine in Wales…
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@xaade just because you never see gangbanging midgets on screen doesn't mean that isn't what is going on...
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@xaade said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
I think... where we went wrong is when we started expecting every movie to be a moral story that we should imitate.
It's not an expectation of how things should be, so much as an acknowledgement of the simple fact that young children are impressionable and learn things from what they watch.
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@xaade said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
where we went wrong is when we started expecting every movie to be a moral story
"If you have a message, call Western Union." —Samuel Goldwin (misattributed: Earliest known print attribution is to Moss Hart.)
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@masonwheeler Then don't let them watch anything, or else they'll think they can train a dragon (or the closest wild animal they find).
Or... or... as an adult we teach them that TV is not the same as real life, and that real life has consequences and that the story doesn't end up nice.
I really think that children thinking movies are real life, comes from us teaching them that they're all snowflakes and handing them all awards for doing nothing. So, they don't see any risk in anything, and only pay attention to the positive points in the story.
And reasonable person would watch B&tB and think, well, I don't want to be locked up and abused just to wait out for redemption. And why are people reasonable? Because they've been taught to be, and they've experienced failure. All you're doing is postponing their experience of failure until the failure is so drastic that they kill a family of four in a drunk driving accident.
To be fair.
- Gaston was a womanizer.
- The townsfolk locked up her father.
- The townsfolk would likely have locked her up too.
- She didn't come around until the Beast started treating her rightly.
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@xaade said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
I mean, Cinderella literally lied about her economic condition to get the prince to fall in love. If that's not androgyny, I don't know what is.
Yes, it's pretty clear that you don't.
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A Primer:
@boomzilla said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
No, gotta be Vancouver. That seems to be where everything is filmed these days.
You film in Vancouver when you need the tax-break, but don't have a travel budget to go too far from California.
Huh. It used to be Toronto that was the first choice for Somewhere City, USA…
You film in Toronto when you have the travel budget, and also need to pretend to be an actual city.
@dkf It used to be that the semi-arid hills of Southern California were the backdrop of everywhere. Now it's damp British Columbian forest.
You set your film in the desert when you don't know how to dress a set, and only have a mini-van.
You set your film in the woods when you don't know how to dress a set, and have a travel budget.
If you don't have either, you set your film in LA because then you're extremely lazy and there's a street RIGHT THERE.
Also: If you don't know how to dress a set, and you're extremely lazy, but you've been hired to do a sci-fi/fantasy film-- well, the plot is they find a magic portal and end up in LA. Then you just have actors walk around the street saying things like "magic metal birds in the sky what sorcery is this?"
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Don't forget that The Little Mermaid teaches you to be ashamed of your body, and that you should go for any body modifications your man wants of you.
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@xaade I believe the word you meant to use there was 'misandry'.
Not saying I agree or disagree, just being a pedantic dickweed.
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@boomzilla said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
@xaade said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
I mean, Cinderella literally lied about her economic condition to get the prince to fall in love. If that's not androgyny, I don't know what is.
Yes, it's pretty clear that you don't.
Shit...
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@Lorne-Kates said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
Don't forget that The Little Mermaid teaches you
to be ashamed of your body, and that you should go for any body modifications your man wants of youthat not all species are equal.
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@boomzilla said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
@Lorne-Kates said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
Don't forget that The Little Mermaid teaches you
to be ashamed of your body, and that you should go for any body modifications your man wants of youthat not all species are equal.We're going to have a fun time when we run into an alien species.
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@xaade said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
We're going to have a fun time when we run into an alien species.
???
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@masonwheeler I'm talking more from a language perspective.
"They have an entire subset of language reserved for creating complexity from the phrase 'don't be rude', simply because they disagree on who's being rude."
"Yeah, we should avoid those guys."
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@xaade said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
We're going to have a fun time when we run into an alien species.
Different DNA means no cross-sharing of disease
Different DNA means no risk of pregnancy
They might have new and interesting holes/protrusions.
Yes. It will be VERY fun.
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@Lorne-Kates until we give them colds or kill them with Slim Whitman.
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@Lorne-Kates said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
Different DNA means no cross-sharing of disease
Different DNA means no risk of pregnancy
They might have new and interesting holes/protrusions.
Yes. It will be VERY fun.I think we still haven't run out of creatures with different DNA and differently placed orifices on this planet.
Filed under: inb4 "speak for yourself"
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@Maciejasjmj said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
I think we still haven't run out of creatures with different DNA and differently placed orifices on this planet.
We're going to meet aliens.
Sexy aliens.
And they'll catch "The Furry"
And dress up in human suits.
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@Lorne-Kates Ah, the Captain
HorndogKirk approach to first contact. I approve.
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@Lorne-Kates said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
And dress up in human suits.
http://static.srcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Leatherface-from-The-Teas-Chainsaw-Massacre.jpg
Yeah, I'll pass.
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@Maciejasjmj Actually when I read that I thought of:
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@Lorne-Kates said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
Different DNA means no cross-sharing of disease
...until their common cold mutates in just the right way to jump the species, and then boy you've got yourself a doozy of a lethal disease for us. Didn't you see that "why there is no America-pox" video?
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@anotherusername Have you been reading The Stormlight Archive by chance?
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@anotherusername I'll have to watch that when I'm not at work.
I was just thinking about how you said that. In the first book, there's a brief interlude in which visitors from another world are in a region known as the Purelake, looking for a specific person and not finding him.
At the end of the second book, as chaos is beginning to descend upon the world, they start hearing rumors of calamities from all over, including a plague in the Purelake. Someone asked the author about it, and he said that the Worldhoppers accidentally brought the common cold with them, which doesn't exist on the world of Roshar... until now.
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@Lorne-Kates said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
They might have new and interesting holes/protrusions.
Yes. It will be VERY fun.But what if they don't have any trans hookers for you to murder? Not so fun then, eh?
Filed under: YKYHBSTMTOTDWTF when you type 'trans' and Chrome suggests 'hookers' as the next word.
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@Maciejasjmj said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
@Lorne-Kates said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
And dress up in human suits.
http://static.srcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Leatherface-from-The-Teas-Chainsaw-Massacre.jpg
Yeah, I'll pass.
YIFF ME!
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@HardwareGeek said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
Filed under: YKYHBSTMTOTDWTF when you type 'trans' and Chrome suggests 'hookers' as the next word.
Or if dreamboner is in your swype dictionary.
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@Lorne-Kates said in "Love Him Out Of His Abusive Ways," now in live action:
Don't forget that The Little Mermaid teaches you to be ashamed of your body, and that you should go for any body modifications your man wants of you.
Also that women who don't talk back are HAWT
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@Jaloopa Admittedly it's been quite some time since I saw it, but IIRC what the prince loved most about Ariel was her voice, and her losing it was what caused him to not fall for her, despite her having gained the human beauty that she thought he wanted.