Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU
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Does your forum software store IP addresses?
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Does the CJEU not understand the concept of "dynamic"?
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@abarker said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
Does the CJEU not understand the concept of "dynamic"?
Underlying the ruling is the fact that paired with a time, ISP's can be queried as to who had that IP address then.
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@abarker said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
Does the CJEU not understand the concept of "dynamic"?
Until it changes, it can be used to identify you across the websites. Let's say your company stores your IP at 10:45 accessing an internal site with your login, and Pornhub stores your IP at 10:46 accessing freak animal porn...
Or even ask the ISP, as @PJH d.
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European data protection rules are getting so obtuse it's far easier to ignore them.
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@Weng said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
European data protection rules are getting so obtuse it's far easier to ignore them.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
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So does this one.
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@PJH said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
Underlying the ruling is the fact that paired with a time, ISP's can be queried as to who had that IP address then.
Must be pretty tricky around here since I know some of the ISPs here have an additional layer of NATing, meaning that even your "public" IP address is, in fact, shared. You need to send in a request form to get your "own" dynamic IP in those cases if you want to host shit from your home network.
As a result, I rarely cared if I leaked my IP in a screenshot or something lately.
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My email address is also personal data, yet I had to supply it when I registered my forum account. Forums are simply a different beast. You have to collect some personal information to keep track of the users, because if the shit hits the fan, you as the forum admin want to be able to tell the police that you'll remove the post(s) but they need to go after the person responsible for actually posting, rather than you.
But, users should only expect to be tracked if they're required to log in. A website that lets visitors just browse freely without requiring them to log in or letting them post anything really shouldn't be recording information that could personally identify and/or track them. It's pretty well-known that an IP address can identify you, even if it's dynamic -- your ISP has a record of what IP you were using at any given moment.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@Weng said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
European data protection rules are getting so obtuse it's far easier to ignore them.
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@Sumireko cookie !== tracking cookie, though.
user_tracking_opt_out = true
is a whole different scenario fromuser_tracking_id = c67fa5ed-04ff-4615-bcb4-dde56ce86042
. The former is no different than the cookie that millions of other users might have. The latter was generated specifically for you, which makes it personal data; it can be used to identify you, even if it doesn't personally identify who you are.
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@Sumireko said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
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It's also loaded from a CDN that leaves its own cookies on your machine
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@Sumireko said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
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@Sumireko said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
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Doesn't that block the cookie that logs the fact you've clicked away the annoying banner, so you get the banner every time you go to that news site that someone's randomly linked from TDWTF?
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@PJH said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
Doesn't that block the cookie that logs the fact you've clicked away the annoying banner, so you get the banner every time you go to that news site that someone's randomly linked from TDWTF?
It also adblocks the banner itself in most cases.
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@PJH said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
Doesn't that block the cookie that logs the fact you've clicked away the annoying banner, so you get the banner every time you go to that news site that someone's randomly linked from TDWTF?
Clearly it was a mistake to let Europe have the Internet.
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@abarker said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
Does the CJEU not understand the concept of "dynamic"?
Last names are also dynamic.
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@Sumireko said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
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I use a Firefox add-on to give me better control over cookies. The default is "no cookie" and a site has to be pretty important to get over the "I can't be arsed changing it" bar. So because I don't want cookies, I get to see all the cookie banners all the time about how they're using cookies to track me. Except... No cookies. So they're lying, and the banner never goes away because no cookies.
Fuck gratuitous cookies, fuck web developers who make sites that don't work without cookies, fuck the EU for making EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN SITE have a "we use cookies" banner even if they don't, fuck everything about the toilet that is the web. The world was a better place before Berners-Lee and his meddling.
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My dynamic IP hasn't changed since MilwaukeePC sent people to my house with a shovel and some wires.
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@ben_lubar said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
My dynamic IP hasn't changed since MilwaukeePC sent people to my house with a shovel and some wires.
I've had a total of four changes, most of them due to suspension of service.
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@ben_lubar said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
MilwaukeePC sent people to my house with a shovel and some wires
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@ben_lubar said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
My dynamic IP ,which is 169.254.0.1, hasn't changed since MilwaukeePC sent people to my house with a shovel and some wires.
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@cvi I sometimes like to use the address 10.99.110.212, and sometimes like to use 10.99.110.135; those are both important to me.
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@boomzilla said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
Clearly it was a mistake to let Europe have the Internet.
Does Al Gore still have veto power after inventing it?
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@Jaloopa said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
Does Al Gore still have veto power after inventing it?
He lost that power when the Supreme Court released his chakras.
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@boomzilla said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
the Supreme Court released his chakras
Totally the right decision, they shouldn't have been locked away
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@cvi said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@ben_lubar said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
My dynamic IP ,which is 169.254.0.1, hasn't changed since MilwaukeePC sent people to my house with a shovel and some wires.
99.63.169.4, actually.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
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@ben_lubar said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
99.63.169.4
A few years ago, publishing your IP on an IRC channel would guarantee some idiot would send a nuke (an exlpoit of a mIRC flaw) to drop your connection. My home IP changes everyday, because my ISP charges extra for having a fixed one.
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@fbmac said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
A few years ago, publishing your IP on an IRC channel would guarantee some idiot would send a nuke (an exlpoit of a mIRC flaw) to drop your connection.
Also, saying your ip address was 127.0.0.1 would cause the script kiddie to kick themselves out
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@fbmac said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
My home IP changes everyday, because my ISP charges extra for having a fixed one.
yeah. mine just started doing that too....
apparently i've been accidentally assigned a fixed IP for years and they just noticed. when i asked why go out of their way to make my IP address constantly change they just hung up.
ever since my IP address changes at least twice a week, usually daily.
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@accalia said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
apparently i've been accidentally assigned a fixed IP for years and they just noticed.
The only difference between a dynamic IP and a static IP is that the static IP's lease doesn't ever expire. If they had a really long lease time on their dynamic IPs, and automatically extended the lease as long as your computer made it online a few times a week, a dynamic IP could look an awful lot like a static IP -- it'd basically never expire... until they decided too many of the IPs in their dynamic pool were sitting idle, allocated to computers that weren't actively using them, and they changed the IP lease time to something really low, like a few hours. Then just leaving it idle overnight would probably result in you having a different IP when you connect the next day.
So my guess, you weren't really on a static IP, and they didn't change anything on your account specifically; they just started running low on dynamic IPs, and wanted to have them released quicker when they weren't being used so they'd be available to be reallocated to other users. And it probably happened way down somewhere in the depths of their I.T. department, so their help desk drones are absolutely clueless about it.
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I (and many others in .nl) have a broadband connection with a router, so IP addresses only really change if the DHCP server actively rejects an extension and sends a new IP. This has happened to me occasionally when my provider decided to redistribute their IP address ranges.
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@anotherusername said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@accalia said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
apparently i've been accidentally assigned a fixed IP for years and they just noticed.
The only difference between a dynamic IP and a static IP is that the static IP's lease doesn't ever expire. If they had a really long lease time on their dynamic IPs, and automatically extended the lease as long as your computer made it online a few times a week, a dynamic IP could look an awful lot like a static IP -- it'd basically never expire... until they decided too many of the IPs in their dynamic pool were sitting idle, allocated to computers that weren't actively using them, and they changed the IP lease time to something really low, like a few hours. Then just leaving it idle overnight would probably result in you having a different IP when you connect the next day.
So my guess, you weren't really on a static IP, and they didn't change anything on your account specifically; they just started running low on dynamic IPs, and wanted to have them released quicker when they weren't being used so they'd be available to be reallocated to other users. And it probably happened way down somewhere in the depths of their I.T. department, so their help desk drones are absolutely clueless about it.
my router is the device that has my external IP all my devices sit behind it (and my firewall), and it is on 24/7. it also does a DHCP renew every 6 hours or 1/2 of the remaining lease time (whichever is shorter) and has been since long before this started.
no, my ISP has gone out of its way to make sure my IP address changes regularly.
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@accalia Probably still not 'going out of it's way' but just a DHCP server configuration to never assign the IP the client asks for.
EDIT: They probably figure that this will cause enough additional people to pay for static that it's worth it. They may not need many people for that.
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@PleegWat said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@accalia Probably still not 'going out of it's way' but just a DHCP server configuration to never assign the IP the client asks for.
EDIT: They probably figure that this will cause enough additional people to pay for static that it's worth it. They may not need many people for that.
i'd have said that if it weren't for the fact that 1) it doesn't change on every DHCP renew and 2) it only started doing this two weeks ago when the "noticed i was accidentally assigned a static IP"
i'm not sure what exactly's going on but i suspect it has something to do with wanting to discourage home servers and them noticing i'm trying to exfiltrate a 14TB backup set to offsite storage (incrementals are in the MB/day but the initial one's a bit bigger)
i'd have preferred to just cut a DAT tape and send it to the ofsite company for an initial backup, but they don't support that for rasins of their own.
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@accalia And they've forgotten dyndns is a thing? This doesn't make sense but you already know that.
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@PleegWat said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@accalia And they've forgotten dyndns is a thing? This doesn't make sense but you already know that.
not only that but i use it.
well not their service, i use namecheap's dynamic dns service since i already have my domain through them..... still same end effect.
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@accalia said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
my router is the device that has my external IP all my devices sit behind it (and my firewall), and it is on 24/7. it also does a DHCP renew every 6 hours or 1/2 of the remaining lease time (whichever is shorter) and has been since long before this started.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll get the same IP address. Depending on how their DHCP is configured, it might extend your existing lease and give you the same IP, or it might expire the lease and give you a new one.
Anyway, your router is always on, so it'll always request a new IP as soon as its lease expires, but that doesn't mean that everyone's router is always on. The number of routers that are turned off but still have a valid IP lease might still be high enough that they wanted to reduce it by making the leases expire quicker.
It could've been something ridiculously high -- infinite, even -- so your IP address lease might just have never expired before. So every time your router tried to renew, the DHCP server still recognized the lease as valid.
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@accalia said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
i'm not sure what exactly's going on but i suspect it has something to do with wanting to discourage home servers and them noticing i'm trying to exfiltrate a 14TB backup set to offsite storage (incrementals are in the MB/day but the initial one's a bit bigger)
Okay, it's more actually a possibility that they noticed the 14TB upload. Although, as said, dynamic DNS will make a home server work just fine on dynamic IPs. I still doubt they tweaked your account personally to make your IP address change more often.
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@anotherusername said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@accalia said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
i'm not sure what exactly's going on but i suspect it has something to do with wanting to discourage home servers and them noticing i'm trying to exfiltrate a 14TB backup set to offsite storage (incrementals are in the MB/day but the initial one's a bit bigger)
Okay, it's more actually a possibility that they noticed the 14TB upload. Although, as said, dynamic DNS will make a home server work just fine on dynamic IPs. I still doubt they tweaked your account personally to make your IP address change more often.
i'm positive they did actually, they almost certainly put me in the "might be doing naighty, annoy them and see if they complain to confirm" bucket.
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@accalia I don't think the people actually looking at their network usage logs and the people manning their help desk are able to communicate anywhere near well enough to do something like that. But even if you did suspect it, why call them to complain, if you know you're just confirming their hunch about you?
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@anotherusername said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@accalia I don't think the people actually looking at their network usage logs and the people manning their help desk are able to communicate anywhere near well enough to do something like that. But even if you did suspect it, why call them to complain, if you know you're just confirming their hunch about you?
i don't think their helpdesk people do communicate with network that well.
and i called them to upgrade my internet, the whole IP thing was a "mentioned in passing" thing at the end of the call. (plus some digging about after for curious)
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@accalia In Dutch, I'd say you're waking up sleeping dogs there.
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@PleegWat said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@accalia In Dutch, I'd say you're waking up sleeping dogs there.
meh. i cna deal with it with dynamic DNS, and i now have faster ineternet soooooo....... Screw TWC with a rusty dildo?
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@accalia careful, you're liable to activate their "ah ha ha ha, you're running a server, so we're going to thr-o-o-o-t-t-t-t-t-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e you back into the 1980s now!" trap card.
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@anotherusername said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@accalia careful, you're liable to activate their "ah ha ha ha, you're running a server, so we're going to thr-o-o-o-t-t-t-t-t-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e you back into the 1980s now!" trap card.
in which case i call them up and activate "Ultra-Bitch ModeTM" until they remove the throttle and give me a nice fat refund.
i've done it before, and i'm not afraid to do it again.
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@accalia eh, if they think you're violating their terms of service, they might just get nasty. And really that's more hassle than it's worth, even if you get your own in the end.
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@Sumireko said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@Lorne-Kates said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@Weng said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
European data protection rules are getting so obtuse it's far easier to ignore them.
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@Jaloopa said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
@fbmac said in Your dynamic IP address is now personal data in the EU:
A few years ago, publishing your IP on an IRC channel would guarantee some idiot would send a nuke (an exlpoit of a mIRC flaw) to drop your connection.
Also, saying your ip address was 127.0.0.1 would cause the script kiddie to kick themselves out
For whatever reason, AOL 3.0 took ~50ms to render
<h3>
. You could fit about about a thousand<h3>
tags in an IM, and send an IM every second...PCs of the time weren't great at multitasking, either, so often as not, this would freeze the whole OS.