New from Samsung: Fire and explosions
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Our recommendation is made purely for safety reasons. All of the original devices shipped with defective batteries that can (and have) spontaneously burst into flames, burning users, damaging property, and putting anyone nearby at risk of smoke inhalation. Despite a highly publicized multi-billion dollar recall, early indications suggest that replacement phones have the same problem. As of this writing, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon have stopped selling the phone, and Samsung has temporarily halted production. That's unprecedented in the modern smartphone era, and it should give you an idea of how real and serious the problem is.
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Yeah, I heard about this nearly a month ago when I flew out to LA for a conference. On every flight, there and back, they specifically said that electronic devices could be used according to the rules yadda yadda yadda, but if you have a Note 7, it must be completely powered down with no charging cable connected due to the recall and the risk of fire and explosions.
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@masonwheeler said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
Yeah, I heard about this nearly a month ago when I flew out to LA for a conference. On every flight, there and back, they specifically said that electronic devices could be used according to the rules yadda yadda yadda, but if you have a Note 7, it must be completely powered down with no charging cable connected due to the recall and the risk of fire and explosions.
Yep, I heard that speech half a dozen times last week while flying for work. It was funny because some of the flight attendants didn't know what they were talking about. "If you got one of them exploding Samsung phones, don't turn it on!"
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I was going to post a rant about Samsung laptops but instead..
Fuck you whoever decided "autoplay" on videos should be a thing.
Fuck you hard.
And fuck you Chrome for not having click-to-play.
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@Yamikuronue said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
Our recommendation is made purely for safety reasons. All of the original devices shipped with defective batteries that can (and have) spontaneously burst into flames, burning users, damaging property, and putting anyone nearby at risk of smoke inhalation. Despite a highly publicized multi-billion dollar recall, early indications suggest that replacement phones have the same problem. As of this writing, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon have stopped selling the phone, and Samsung has temporarily halted production. That's unprecedented in the modern smartphone era, and it should give you an idea of how real and serious the problem is.
DAMMIT!
I finally can afford the art-phone I've always wanted, and what happens? It goes all (potentially) explody. TWICE. WTH. Did they put Enlightenment/Tizen on it or something?
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@Dreikin Maybe they asked the Enlightenment guy to reimplement the torch functionality...
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This is a bad year for android.
Apple released their weakest phone update yet, removing a very convenient port while at it, yet it's still doing better than google and samsung.
Maybe this is the year when some new player trumps their way into android market.
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@cartman82 there's the Google pixel, seems they're finally getting into the first party hardware market
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@Jaloopa said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
@cartman82 there's the Google pixel, seems they're finally getting into the first party hardware market
/r/android was pretty underwhelmed by that phone.
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@cartman82 I don't actually know anything about it. Seems to me like we're well past the stage where even mid range phones are good enough so a flagship with a few more megahertz and an incrementally improved camera is always going to be underwhelming
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@Jaloopa Daydream VR is veeery tempting, though. But I think my 6p is going to get it as well.
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@Maciejasjmj or not:
Caution: The 6P's thermal performance is not representative of the consumer Daydream-ready devices that will be launching later this year. In particular, expect the 6P to thermally throttle CPU and GPU performance after a short period of use, depending on workload
So not only are the cunts at Google going to delay the 7.1 update to the Nexus as compared to the Pixel, but now also strip the VR functionality despite 6p being able to run the devkit just fine? It's as if the cocksockets are trying to kill the Nexus line with a bang.
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It's not just the opinion of Ars Technica, but also official now:
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Soo, guys, what do you think: Google Pixel or iPhone 7?
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@powerlord Pixel it is, then.
The hotline at Samsung must be positively overloaded. Yesterday I got a callback inside 30 seconds, today it took 15 minutes for them to callback, only to throw me into a holding line where I'm waiting now for 15 mins.
Oh well :)
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@Rhywden I can recommend the Moto Z Play if you want a cheaper option. The camera is a bit underwhelming, but otherwise it's a great phone, and the battery life is unbeatable (especially if you use the extra battery mod).
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@Maciejasjmj Wait a minute, Daydream is a VR thing?
I thought Daydream meant the other (boring) feature already named Daydream. How am I supposed to connect the word daydream to VR glasses anyway? What sort of brain-dead moron came up with that name?
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@anonymous234 because you'll fall asleep after you see it
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@Rhywden Lumia 950 XL
but not really
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@anonymous234 said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
@Rhywden Lumia 950 XL
but not really
That said, given Lumia 950 XL was released about a year from now. Maybe we should compare them with Surface Phone? (But no, the spec is not announced yet. The just predict it to use Snapdragon 820/830 but noone from Microsoft has confirmed that yet)
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Update: Samsung Germany still won't confirm to their support drones that the Note 7 is dead. Newspaper articles and the official statement from Samsung USA nonwithstanding ("But that's a different division!" - yeah, right, buddy).
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@cheong Microsoft has worked their ass off to create a good phone platform and now they've kinda abandoned it. Who knows what their strategy is.
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@Rhywden said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
Soo, guys, what do you think: Google Pixel or iPhone 7?
@Rhywden said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
Google Pixel
@Rhywden said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
iPhone 7
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So, I remember now a few interesting posts at how software development goes in a certain Korean company with a name starting with S: scrapping tools that were any good, introducing MS Office as code editor, version tracking and code review system, and the „Korean-über-alles” attitude, when any suggestion from a whitey would be rejected, no matter how reasonable, because he's not Korean enough; and the reverse was true: all hail Excel as code review tool, because a Korean said so, no matter how stupid the whole idea.
If they had got the same cancer in hardware engineering, along with pressing deadlines („what do you mean, we cannot into good battery life with all these bells and whistles we advertised? Then just pack the batteries denser, you little fuck! Give 'em the energy!”), I'm quite surprised it's only now it has finally backfired on them.
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@wft said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
Excel as code review tool
Oh god yes I read about that a while ago. The memory still haunts me...
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@cheong said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
@anonymous234 said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
@Rhywden Lumia 950 XL
but not really
That said, given Lumia 950 XL was released about a year from now. Maybe we should compare them with Surface Phone? (But no, the spec is not announced yet. The just predict it to use Snapdragon 820/830 but noone from Microsoft has confirmed that yet)
See, because someone might quote you is why you should close the tags you open.
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@accalia said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
@Rhywden said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
iPhone 7
You mean "put it next to a Galaxy 7"?
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@Jaloopa said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
there's the Google pixel, seems they're finally getting into the first party hardware market
It's still made by HTC, just no HTC branding on it.
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I feel its crazy that there is (was) a Note 7. I have Note 3 and when I compare it to what is sold now I can't see any significant difference.
Maybe the OS version, but if I want to update that, then I should root it an install a better image anyway.
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@Adynathos said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
I should root it an install a better image anyway.
As you should with any Samsung Android phone anyway. I mean, who in the world likes Touchwiz and all the crap Samsung puts on their phones?
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@Akko said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
As you should with any Samsung Android phone anyway. I mean, who in the world likes Touchwiz and all the crap Samsung puts on their phones?
Indeed but I don't know if its worth the effort.
The crap programs just sit on the disk and don't get in my way. I use the programs I installed myself.
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@Adynathos said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
I have Note 3 and when I compare it to what is sold now I can't see any significant difference.
The difference is that they now have a good reason not to update your phone, because it's ($current - 4).
@Akko said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
I mean, who in the world likes Touchwiz and all the crap Samsung puts on their phones?
…which is yet another reason why you shouldn't buy Samsung phones.
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@Akko said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
@Adynathos said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
I should root it an install a better image anyway.
As you should with any Samsung Android phone anyway. I mean, who in the world likes Touchwiz and all the crap Samsung puts on their phones?
I don't like it. However, CM13 on my Galaxy Note 3 gives me a lousy battery life and the phone is often hot, and there is no quick way to tell what the culprit is. I have decided that my next phone is going to be iPhone 6s, if only because its performance and battery life is predictable and it is known to play nice when on the move (I've ever had two Samsung phones, both with Android, both went hot and out of battery whenever cell signal was unstable).
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@wft said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
gives me a lousy battery life and the phone is often hot, and there is no quick way to tell what the culprit is
I'm guessing Samsung, given their track record with batteries....
Maybe there's a patch in their image to try and fix problems with the battery and they forgot to ship it on the Note 7?
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@accalia said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
iPhone 7
No, iPhone 7 has neither headphone socket nor instant flaming death feature.
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@Yamikuronue Nope, I don't think so. CM is actually a bit worse in that department than Touchwiz, because for reasons unknown and stupid, there is a piece of Samsung power management code that is very tightly coupled to Touchwiz (why not have it fully in kernel, that's what I can't understand). If you like pure AOSP, like, say, me, the battery will inherently be lousier. Never mind that one needs to use lots of Samsung blobs just to get the damn thing going.
The funny situation with Samsung is that they cannot blame, say, Sony. A Samsung phone consists of Samsung components through and through.
I guess the patch to fix a buffer overrun in the battery firmware was incorrectly applied by a shithead using Microsoft Word, and that was the size of it.
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@Yamikuronue Also, a "fix" for Note7 they issued in the interim was capping the battery at 60% of charge; even that did not help. A strange decision given they know everything there is to know about their own batteries.
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@flabdablet said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
@accalia said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
iPhone 7
No, iPhone 7 has neither headphone socket nor instant flaming death feature.
give me ten minutes with it, 8 cups of atomized aluminium, 3 cups of atomized ferrous oxide, and a road flare. I'll install the feature.
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@accalia said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
atomized ferrous oxide
Your thermite recipe needs some work. Stripping rust down to individual atoms will just give you a pile of iron and oxygen gas, so you'll probably explode it before slagging the phone. Scattering your aluminium and iron around your work area is not an efficient way of doing it.
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@accalia said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
I'll install the feature.
No, Thermite has been withdrawn from the App Store and iPhones do not permit sideloading.
You might need to content yourself with a wireless fast charge.
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@e4tmyl33t Amateurs. Nitric acid and cotton is where it's at!
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@Rhywden said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
Nitric acid and cotton
Wait, how did you get hold of Samsung's new proprietary battery chemistry?
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@flabdablet Sorry, make that "nitration acid". And since I actually do possess a Note 7, the smell is very characteristic
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@wft said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
A strange decision given they should know everything there is to know about their own batteries.
FTFY
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@wft said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
Never mind that one needs to use lots of Samsung blobs just to get the damn thing going.
Which is why tinfoil hat people who root their phones and install CM without Google Apps for "security"/"privacy" reasons are so ridiculous. If you trust neither Samsung nor Google, why the fuck are you using hardware and software made by them?
Also, you're a giant asshat if you use a custom ROM and give apps that crash on it 1 star ratings.
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@e4tmyl33t said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
@accalia said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
atomized ferrous oxide
Your thermite recipe needs some work. Stripping rust down to individual atoms will just give you a pile of iron and oxygen gas, so you'll probably explode it before slagging the phone. Scattering your aluminium and iron around your work area is not an efficient way of doing it.
atomized is a description of the fineness of a powder, not a description of how to make it.
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ya damn
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@asdf said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
@wft said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
A strange decision given they should know everything there is to know about their own batteries.
FTFY
Someone must have opened the QA spreadsheet in an old version of Excel, dropping all those rows above (whatever that max number is).
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@accalia said in New from Samsung: Fire and explosions:
give me ten minutes with it, 8 cups of atomized aluminium, 3 cups of atomized ferrous oxide, and a road flare. I'll install the feature.
You trying to kill one iPhone, or a couple crates of them?