New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.
-
Here's a "how would i do this non-stupidly" question.
In one corner, I have a recently dead laptop. At least, for all intensive porpoises, it is dead. Power supply's failing, CPU isn't PUing right, etc. It also has a 1TB hard drive that has a fully configured OS and all my data.
In the other corner, I have a brand new laptop. It has Win id10t, which will be purged in favor of Win7. edit It also has a 1TB hdd.
Now, I don't trust the hard drive in the old laptop. I know it has bad sectors, and it may be failing. I'd rather it be replaced.
So-- the question is, what can I do to take a byte-for-byte copy of Hard Drive 1-- and perfectly replicate it onto Hard Drive 2?
I know that HDD2 will then need all the new hardware drivers, and Windows will probably need to be reactivated, etc. That's ok.
I have access to a fully functional computer, plus an external hard drive dock with two bays.
What do I do?
-
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
In the other corner, I have a brand new laptop. It has Win id10t, which will be purged in favor of Win7.
Just as pre-warning - it may not play nicely with 7. If there aren't 7-compatible drivers for critical hardware, you're going to have a hard time.
I don't think what you're doing is possible, at least not without putting the old install into OOBE mode so it can install new drivers.
-
@sloosecannon said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
If there aren't 7-compatible drivers for critical hardware, you're going to have a hard time.
There are. I checked before buying. =)
@sloosecannon said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
OOBE mode
what's that? (will Google, too)
-
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
what's that? (will Google, too)
Out Of Box Experience. IIRC, that's how you tell Windows you're moving hardware.
-
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
What do I do?
- Install Linux and break free of the OS conspiracy
- Use CloneZilla to clone Drive 1 to Drive 2 (Warning "FOSS shite")
- Use Acronius True Image to clone Drive 1 to Drive 2 (Warning "Payware Shite")
- Use Magical Jelly Bean to find and extract all your product keys on Drive 1, acquire some install media from sources, and install from scratch
- Did i mention that using Linux is an option?
-
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
Here's a "how would i do this non-stupidly" question.
In one corner, I have a recently dead laptop. At least, for all intensive porpoises, it is dead. Power supply's failing, CPU isn't PUing right, etc. It also has a 1TB hard drive that has a fully configured OS and all my data.
In the other corner, I have a brand new laptop. It has Win id10t, which will be purged in favor of Win7.
Now, I don't trust the hard drive in the old laptop. I know it has bad sectors, and it may be failing. I'd rather it be replaced.
So-- the question is, what can I do to take a byte-for-byte copy of Hard Drive 1-- and perfectly replicate it onto Hard Drive 2?
I know that HDD2 will then need all the new hardware drivers, and Windows will probably need to be reactivated, etc. That's ok.
I have access to a fully functional computer, plus an external hard drive dock with two bays.
What do I do?
You didn't say how big the drive was on the new laptop.
But you most likely would want to run knoppix live cd on the new laptop, then use ddrescue to copy the drive over sector by sector. Now, since you said you had bad sectors on the old drive, even if you get a full copy, it's possible that some files are corrupted (including some system files) which may make windows crash randomly, so at the minimum you would probably want a windows reinstall.
I'm sure there are other non-free solutions. You can also buy a 1TB+ SSD like Samsung which comes with software to clone your drive, although not sure how well it would work with an external drive and bad sectors.
-
@sloosecannon said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
what's that? (will Google, too)
Out Of Box Experience. IIRC, that's how you tell Windows you're moving hardware.
More accurately, it's Sysprep
-
@accalia said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
What do I do?
- Install Linux and break free of the OS conspiracy
- Use CloneZilla to clone Drive 1 to Drive 2 (Warning "FOSS shite")
- Use Acronius True Image to clone Drive 1 to Drive 2 (Warning "Payware Shite")
- Use Magical Jelly Bean to find and extract all your product keys on Drive 1, acquire some install media from sources, and install from scratch
- Did i mention that using Linux is an option?
how does clonezilla/true image deal with bad sectors?
-
@dangeRuss said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
You didn't say how big the drive was on the new laptop.
Whoops, thought I did. it's also 1TB.
-
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
I have access to a fully functional computer, plus an external hard drive dock with two bays.
What do I do?Ensure you can actually unmount the drives from both laptops, mount them in the external enclosure, and get to copying? Last time I needed to do that (on my SSD migration, 4 years ago) I used the linux 'dd' command to copy data.
You'll want to ensure beforehand you've got a route back, though with windows 10 as long as it's booted once and activated it should be reinstallable from any install medium. Still you might want to check if there's any recovery partitions you want/need to preserve.
-
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@dangeRuss said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
You didn't say how big the drive was on the new laptop.
Whoops, thought I did. it's also 1TB.
It may or not work for raisins. One 1TB could be slightly smaller then the other 1TB, so you may need to resize the partition first, which may fail spectacularly because of the bad sectors. But if the old partitions fit on the new drive, it should be good.
-
@PleegWat said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
I have access to a fully functional computer, plus an external hard drive dock with two bays.
What do I do?Ensure you can actually unmount the drives from both laptops, mount them in the external enclosure, and get to copying? Last time I needed to do that (on my SSD migration, 4 years ago) I used the linux 'dd' command to copy data.
You'll want to ensure beforehand you've got a route back, though with windows 10 as long as it's booted once and activated it should be reinstallable from any install medium. Still you might want to check if there's any recovery partitions you want/need to preserve.
Except in this case he would want ddrescue, which knows how to deal with bad sectors, where dd would just choke.
-
Assuming you just want your data back and not to run your new laptop with an old image.
- Shove both laptop drives into your docking station.
- Run this free utility - AOMEI Partition Assistant, which you can find at: http://www.disk-partition.com/
I have been using v5.8 (they are now on v6) for some time and had no issues - malware, nag screens etc. That said, my most recent use of it (yesterday) involved reducing the size of my C: drive and on completion the Windows 8.1 recovery kicked in, but clicking "OK" everywhere got me back ok.
To state the obvious: Once you have queued your "operations", it reboots and does its stuff in DOS or similar.
-
@dangeRuss said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@accalia said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
What do I do?
- Install Linux and break free of the OS conspiracy
- Use CloneZilla to clone Drive 1 to Drive 2 (Warning "FOSS shite")
- Use Acronius True Image to clone Drive 1 to Drive 2 (Warning "Payware Shite")
- Use Magical Jelly Bean to find and extract all your product keys on Drive 1, acquire some install media from sources, and install from scratch
- Did i mention that using Linux is an option?
how does clonezilla/true image deal with bad sectors?
Clonezilla? quite well actually, in that if the sector is bad the data's gone, but assiming NTFS unmounted cleanly it can do a FS aware copy so you can avoid copying terabytes of "empty" space
no idea about true image. i just searched for a windows native version of what clonezilla is and that was thed most recommended one by lifehacker (after clonezilla)
-
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
It has Win id10t, which will be purged in favor of Win7
What will you do 3 years from now when it goes out of support? Just curious.
take a byte-for-byte copy of Hard Drive 1-- and perfectly replicate it onto Hard Drive 2?
Waaaaay more trouble than it's worth IMO, I find reinstalling is 5000% less likely to cause weird shit.
But if you still want, just use AOMEI from Windows, or Clonezilla from, well, its own Linux distro. Be warned, the interface of Clonezilla is pure shit for average users IMO, but if you know the technical terms then you'll do fine. Or just use ddrescue, really, there's no need for clonezilla in this case.
I'm sure both AOMEI and Clonezilla can deal with bad sectors (and by "deal" I mean "not crash", since you can't really recover data from them), but I've never tried it.
And FWIW, Windows ≥ 7actually has a very rudimentary built-in disk imaging tool (control panel -> backups), which should (but probably won't ;)) work too, although I don't think it allows direct cloning so you'd need a third >1TB disk.
-
If one of the hd is Western Digital you can use free Acronis True Image. It works with disimilar hw (read instructons)
I cloned some Intel to amd in win7 and all was ok.
Don't know how may react if It found read errors.
-
@anonymous234 said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
What will you do 3 years from now when it goes out of support? Just curious.
Bitch, do I need to slap you with a screenshot of my XP webserver?
"Out of support". Please.
-
@accalia said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
What do I do?
- Use CloneZilla to clone Drive 1 to Drive 2 (Warning "FOSS shite")
+1 for CloneZilla. It's what I used in the computer lab at my last job for creating and copying disk images.
-
+1 for ddrescue. I wouldn't let any other tool touch a potentially failing source drive. It's on knoppix, or you can
apt-get install
gddrescue
on any Debian-based distro.If you can find another laptop that's the same model as your old one, then you can stick the cloned HDD into that, boot it up, and prepare it to move to a different platform by using Device Manager to replace the drivers for the disk and display controllers with the generic Microsoft ones.
-
@Lorne-Kates
dd if=<old drive> of=<new drive>
What could possibly go wrong
-
@JazzyJosh Exactly. Only weaklings refer to it as 'disk destroyer'. Though those above recommending ddrescue for problematic drives have a point.
-
@JazzyJosh said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
What could possibly go wrong
Inverting <old drive> and <new drive> is what can go horribly wrong :)
-
@TimeBandit if = input file of = output file. Remember that and it's easy.
-
@JazzyJosh Yeah, I know that. Just make sure you don't mix them up, or you'll end up destroying your precious data.
-
@TimeBandit said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@JazzyJosh said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
What could possibly go wrong
Inverting <old drive> and <new drive> is what can go horribly wrong :)
or accidentally running the command over an SSH session when you thought it was local.
Why is it taking so long to wipe /dev/sdd1? it's only a 100 meg drive.
....
why is $server thrashing like crazy?
.......
what the? i'm on $server? FUCK! /dev/sdd1 on $server is my backups! ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!
-
@accalia Looks like you are speaking from experience
-
@TimeBandit said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@accalia Looks like you are speaking from experience
indeed.
-
@JazzyJosh said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@TimeBandit if = input file of = output file. Remember that and it's easy.
Right. Now which of those was
/dev/sdb
again, and which was/dev/sdc
?
-
@Lorne-Kates
Iff the old laptop drive and new laptop drive are either both IDE or both SATA, and in the case they're both SATA iff both the old laptop and new laptop are set to the same setting for AHCI on or off, then just cloning the drive should allow it to boot into the new machine.In the event that the IDE - SATA-noAHCI - SATA-AHCI tri-state boolean doesn't match between the two machines, you're going to get a black screen of death when you try to boot, complaining about how Windows couldn't find the hard drive. There are ways to boot from a Windows setup disk into Windows PE and add the missing hard drive driver to the Windows image on the laptop. They're kind of a pain and I don't do them often enough to remember without searching for TechNet after I get the original error code on switching the old drive (image) to the new machine.
Other than doing the above, your options are to do a clean re-install and recover / transfer data (what I usually recommend, even above the options for cloning the image and fixing the boot driver), or to do a "bare metal" backup with Windows Backup on the running old system and then restore that with a Windows Setup disk onto the new machine. Obviously, the latter choice isn't available to you if the old laptop is too dead to get a clean backup, and as mentioned upthread that would require a third drive of appx 1 TB in size (USB drives are good for this, especially since they can continue as a longer term data backup solution).
-
@flabdablet said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
It's on knoppix
Knoppix? What decade is this?
-
@anonymous234 said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
Knoppix? What decade is this?
Same decade in which Windows is still used. Why, what's wrong with Knoppix ?
Current version is 7.6.0, based on Debian Jessie (released September 17th)
It's not like if it's not developed anymore.
-
When I'm doing something that sensitive, I isolate the system...
-
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@anonymous234 said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
What will you do 3 years from now when it goes out of support? Just curious.
Bitch, do I need to slap you with a screenshot of my XP webserver?
"Out of support". Please.
If you don't mind eventually ordering stuff from ebay at outrageous prices.
But I don't think the lifespan of the system will be ... that long.
-
@accalia said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
or accidentally running the command over an SSH session when you thought it was local.
That's why the first thing you should do after connecting via SSH is naming your tmux session.
If you're not using tmux, you're Doing It Wrong anyway.
-
@TimeBandit I've just never heard of anyone using it in many years. I know it was big when Live CDs were a new thing.
-
@accalia said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@TimeBandit said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@JazzyJosh said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
What could possibly go wrong
Inverting <old drive> and <new drive> is what can go horribly wrong :)
or accidentally running the command over an SSH session when you thought it was local.
And that's how I shutdown our router at my dormitory.
Twice.
-
@asdf said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@accalia said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
or accidentally running the command over an SSH session when you thought it was local.
That's why the first thing you should do after connecting via SSH is naming your tmux session.
If you're not using tmux, you're Doing It Wrong anyway.
doesn't help if you don't doublecheck your hostname when using sudo
and that's why my servers have unique passwords so i can's sudo a command on the wrong box accidentally anymore.
-
@Rhywden Maybe if you had a nice window a different icon for every device that you could right click to send commands to, these mix-ups would happen less frequently. Visual memory and all that.
-
@sloosecannon said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
what's that? (will Google, too)
Out Of Box Experience. IIRC, that's how you tell Windows you're moving hardware.
Out Of Box Experience is the first time running thing Windows shows you. You only see it once ever during initial setup.
-
@anonymous234 said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@TimeBandit I've just never heard of anyone using it in many years. I know it was big when Live CDs were a new thing.
So what would you use for a livecd these days?
-
@dangeRuss said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@anonymous234 said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@TimeBandit I've just never heard of anyone using it in many years. I know it was big when Live CDs were a new thing.
So what would you use for a livecd these days?
I boot Windows from my flash drive. It's somewhat slow, but works! Mostly...
-
@dangeRuss Xubuntu generally, which is the best flavor of Ubuntu IMO, and Rufus to make the bootable USB.
For disk-related stuff there was also PartedMagic which has lots of built-in programs (including Clonezilla) but I see they've gone commercial yeah luck with that.
-
@Tsaukpaetra said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
I boot Windows from my flash drive. It's somewhat slow, but works! Mostly...
Is that officially supported? I know it is in the Enterprise version (which I don't have), and that you can run CMD from the install media (but that's very limited), but aside from that?
-
@anonymous234 said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@Tsaukpaetra said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
I boot Windows from my flash drive. It's somewhat slow, but works! Mostly...
Is that officially supported? I know it is in the Enterprise version (which I don't have), and that you can run CMD from the install media (but that's very limited), but aside from that?
Officially? Not... exactly.
However, I've done it since Windows 7, and it technically works with Vista as well (but who would want that?!).
I think the important part is prioritizing USB drivers or something, forgot exactly.
Tools like these make it possible!
www.rmprepusb.com/tutorials/win7onusb
-
Got the new computer. But the hard drive transfer is temporarily on hold-- because my wife's hard drive decided to fuck off to fuckoff land today. So it's in the dock getting repaired first:
uhh-- I would post a screenshot of testdisk.exe working, but I realize I don't have a screenshot program on this computer.
wait fucking sniping tool works I guess?
whaddya know.
PS windows 10 can suck my leaky ass
-
@TimeBandit said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
@anonymous234 said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
Knoppix? What decade is this?
Same decade in which Windows is still used. Why, what's wrong with Knoppix ?
Current version is 7.6.0, based on Debian Jessie (released September 17th)
It's not like if it's not developed anymore.It's acutally quite okay. We did use a distro that in turn based on it to "turn an old PC into a network managing hub for outgoing internet".
The only problem is that I kind of not hearing that name within like 10 years.
-
FUCKS SAKE WINDOWS 10 WHY HAVE YOU REVERSED THE SCROLL-DOWN AND SCROLL-UP GESTURES!
SWIPE DOWN ON MY TRACKPAD MEANS SCROLL DOWN YOU USELESS UI-DESTROYING PIECE OF SHIT!
-
@Lorne-Kates said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
Got the new computer. But the hard drive transfer is temporarily on hold-- because my wife's hard drive decided to fuck off to fuckoff land today. So it's in the dock getting repaired first:
uhh-- I would post a screenshot of testdisk.exe working, but I realize I don't have a screenshot program on this computer.
wait fucking sniping tool works I guess?
whaddya know.
PS windows 10 can suck my leaky ass
Wait, what do I see there... it says FAT12 and FAT16. Are you sure the program won't destroy your data instead?
-
@cheong said in New laptop, old hard-drive. Fuck you, gimme OS.:
Wait, what do I see there... it says FAT12 and FAT16. Are you sure the program won't destroy your data instead?
That's never a certainty. =(
-
@Lorne-Kates At least I'd expect to see things like NTFS/FAT32/exFAT there.
FAT16 is for harddisk with less than 4GB partition only, and FAT12 is only good for floppies. I think thee program may have some problem on reading the filesystem signature.
I suggest you to stop it before it writes any change to your harddisk.