VIM vs Emacs
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@kt_ said in VIM vs Emacs:
@boomzilla said in VIM vs Emacs:
nano
ever.Everyone knows that the best is
copy con
ed
is thestandard editor.you can find the link yourself
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@izzion Remote? I had to walk uphill, both ways, carrying cardboard boxes full of bits, and I had to put em in one-by-one, in the dark.
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@anonymous234 said in VIM vs Emacs:
The fact that the Linux world has for so long treated Vim as an appropriate default for new users just shows how much they fail to understand usability.
This is just the standard "everyone who disagrees with me doesn't understand."
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@Gąska said in VIM vs Emacs:
But it still beats Vim in usability - because when you type in letters, they're automatically inserted into text by default.
Ah, then in the emacs/vim war, you're firmly in the emacs camp!
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@Gąska said in VIM vs Emacs:
They weren't much more productive than me with my sorry ass Notepad++ clone for Linux, a script wrapping find, and hand-typing grep commands.
It's all in what you know. If I tried to use your (notepad++)+scripts, my productivity would crash. Just like yours would when using my toolset (vim). It really says nothing about which is better. Just which you know better. And there's nothing wrong with that. Other than giving us endless religious wars. Besides, vim rules!
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@Gąska said in VIM vs Emacs:
Nowadays, so many people think they can actually program
that this forum exists.
A "real" programmer is someone who, in addition to being able to code, bitches all the time about other people's code, always tinkers with their OS, and has extremely strong opinions on unimportant subjects.
Yup, that's us.
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@ben_lubar said in VIM vs Emacs:
Speaking of editors, I somehow got
git commit
to open vim in PowerShell, butvim
and$env:EDITOR
don't work in PowerShell. So I can edit commit messages in vim, but not write code in vim.I just started vim in powershell (on win10creators) with no issues...
Also, the version of vim that came with whatever version of git PowerShell is currently using has a dumb feature where copying text with
y
puts it in the OS clipboard, so once again I have one clipboard with two handles.Ah - I'm using the version from vim.org.
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@JBert said in VIM vs Emacs:
Also for the record: I use one or more of the following depending on what thing I'm working on:
- vim/gvim
- visual studio (have not enabled vsvim)
- notepad
And when programming, I'll often have windows open in both MSVC and vim (on different monitors).
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@hungrier said in VIM vs Emacs:
@izzion Remote? I had to walk uphill, both ways, carrying cardboard boxes full of bits, and I had to put em in one-by-one, in the dark.
OMG - We found the origin of the Florida hanging chad!!!
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@boomzilla said in VIM vs Emacs:
@da-Doctah said in VIM vs Emacs:
That said, a real programmer can adapt to almost anything. I once had to install a machine-language patch using Linedit. Over 300bps dial-up. On a Radio Shack Model 100.
In my underwear.
Was it snowing?
I was exaggerating for effect. To be perfectly honest, I did this from my bed, so I was actually wearing my pajamas.
And in the interest of full disclosure, I don't wear pajamas.
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@da-Doctah VIM
Not IdeaVim. Holy shit it's a steaming pile of crap.
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@hungrier said in VIM vs Emacs:
@izzion Remote? I had to walk uphill, both ways, carrying cardboard boxes full of bits, and I had to put em in one-by-one, in the dark.
I hope you entered them in the right order!
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@asdf said in VIM vs Emacs:
@JBert said in VIM vs Emacs:
MS Word
I hope you're not using that as an editor.
I once had some recommend it to me for writing emails in. (That nicely brings this back round to nano again, I suppose.)
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@dcon said in VIM vs Emacs:
@Gąska said in VIM vs Emacs:
They weren't much more productive than me with my sorry ass Notepad++ clone for Linux, a script wrapping find, and hand-typing grep commands.
It's all in what you know. If I tried to use your (notepad++)+scripts, my productivity would crash. Just like yours would when using my toolset (vim). It really says nothing about which is better. Just which you know better. And there's nothing wrong with that.
You just agreed with me that Vim is no better than notepad with syntax highlighting and doing everything else straight in terminal. If that's true, why bother with learning Vim?
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@Gurth said in VIM vs Emacs:
@asdf said in VIM vs Emacs:
@JBert said in VIM vs Emacs:
MS Word
I hope you're not using that as an editor.
I once had some recommend it to me for writing emails in. (That nicely brings this back round to nano again, I suppose.)
Well, considering that Outlook email format is basically Word document...
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@Gąska said in VIM vs Emacs:
@Gurth said in VIM vs Emacs:
@asdf said in VIM vs Emacs:
@JBert said in VIM vs Emacs:
MS Word
I hope you're not using that as an editor.
I once had some recommend it to me for writing emails in. (That nicely brings this back round to nano again, I suppose.)
Well, considering that Outlook email format is basically Word document...
You can actually configure Outlook for Windows to use Word as the email editor.
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@da-Doctah said in VIM vs Emacs:
And in the interest of full disclosure, I don't wear pajamas.
Full frontal disclosure?
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@asdf said in VIM vs Emacs:
@JBert said in VIM vs Emacs:
MS Word
I hope you're not using that as an editor.
Of course I'm using it as an editor.
It edits DOCX files.
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@Gąska said in VIM vs Emacs:
Well, considering that Outlook email format is basically Word document...
And they wondered why everyone complained about WINMAIL.DAT …
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@ben_lubar said in VIM vs Emacs:
Speaking of editors, I somehow got
git commit
to open vim in PowerShell, butvim
and$env:EDITOR
don't work in PowerShell. So I can edit commit messages in vim, but not write code in vim.Also, the version of vim that came with whatever version of git PowerShell is currently using has a dumb feature where copying text with
y
puts it in the OS clipboard, so once again I have one clipboard with two handles.Speaking of git, somehow my alias manages to run
nuget
without any issues, but can't just runmsbuild
- it needsmsbuild.exe
for some reason. And why the hell does git, despite running in PowerShell, run its aliases in bash?
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@Maciejasjmj Parts of git are written in Bash scripts so likely it does all it's command invocations by shelling out to a new bash instance.
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To borrow from an old meme, arguing about VIM vs. Emacs is like competing in the Special Olympics...
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@Gąska I learned it before Notepad existed!
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@JBert said in VIM vs Emacs:
@asdf said in VIM vs Emacs:
@JBert said in VIM vs Emacs:
MS Word
I hope you're not using that as an editor.
Of course I'm using it as an editor.
It edits DOCX files.
I'm sure with some macro magic you could add syntax highlighting and actually use it as a somewhat passable code editor.