The right to fork makes open source software a breeding ground for innovation!?
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Isn't the burden of proof usually on the party claiming the existence of something?
The burden of proof belongs to whoever questions a scientific theory.
The assertion by Blakey (he originally implied that open source developers showed no signs of innovation) goes against established theories.
You know who innovates? Apple. They didn't just make a new mobile phone, they came up with the highly original idea of employing a suitably hardcore marketing team so that they could sell identical mobile phones year on year for about 2-3 times the price of an actual mobile phone. Presumably these are the same marketing guys that managed to make front-end developers accountable when Microsoft's Internet Explorer doesn't run or render modern frontend code.
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Oh my God. What did you do?
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Long as you don't add real hardware or applications.
(The only crashes I recall in the last several years, either OS, were due to low voltage in the GPU chip. Which only ever took down running games, not the OS.)
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Software-only example:
Discourse. Discourse is innovative in the ways it enrages users through the use of Discoursistency.
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It sure makes me want to use a fork for purposes not originally intended...
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So definitely not this?
Demolition Man - Murder Death Kill (Scene) – 00:16
— hemi99
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same freedoms of development and sharing that thrived back then
Yeah, right sure.....locked rooms with one terminal, and a shredder. Even discussing the code you were writing with another (unless specifically authorized) employee could be grounds for action......
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Long as you don't add real hardware or applications.
(The only crashes I recall in the last several years, either OS, were due to low voltage in the GPU chip. Which only ever took down running games, not the OS.)
I was being facetious and trying to provoke a blakeyrant. :-P
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Somewhere else with a really low level of discourse.
what's wrong with this place of low level dicsourse?
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ben@australium:~$ uptime -p up 16 weeks, 5 days, 9 hours, 50 minutes
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Your ignorance would not be so bad if you didn't use it to trash everything not MS
Blakey actually uses his ignorance to trash everything not Mac OS circa 1988. On the principle of imprinting on the music you heard as a teenager and considering that the One True Music for ever thereafter, this probably gives you some clues about his age.
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[Linux drivers] have to be updated along with the kernel.
Most Linux drivers are indeed compiled alongside the kernels and supplied with them; this can happen because most Linux drivers are open source and it's completely practical to include their source code in the kernel's source tree. But there is also a substantial number of drivers that don't get included in the kernel sources (e.g. the VirtualBox kernel module, and nVidia's proprietary GPU drivers) and for these there's a widely-used facility called dkms that lets any required re-compilation happen automatically on the end-user's machine.
In my experience, the dkms driver recompilation process is several times faster than a driver update via Windows Update.
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>Voices in Bort's head:
Enough talk. Get the knife.SAM SIMMONS' LIVE STAND UP: "FAIL" (Part 1/3) – 23:01
— Nozin' Aroun'
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then it doesn't come back up because of some silly shit like a BIOS battery has went dead
...or a different hard drive won the spin-up race this time, which has provoked the shitty BIOS to re-order them, and then it won't boot because there's no boot loader on the data drive...
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same freedoms of development and sharing that thrived back then
Yeah, right sure.....locked rooms with one terminal, and a shredder. Even discussing the code you were writing with another (unless specifically authorized) employee could be grounds for action......
Yes, but making it sound like we're regaining something lost sells better than saying that we're changing for the better.
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What about rebooting vitual machines?
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Most Linux drivers are indeed compiled alongside the kernels and supplied with them;
Oh look, Blakeyrat's right.
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So windows can live patch the kernel but requires you to restart when it updates some libraries ?You are joking
The kernel only has one live instance, and knows all about all of its data structures. Libraries can be loaded by any app, can have multiple in-memory copies (when it has a preferred load address collision for example), can have multiple private in-memory copies with unknown monkeypatches by whatever app loaded them, and can be in the middle of running any code within them. And that's before we worry about IPC and cross-version compatibility.I didn't know Windows Update was part of BonziBuddy. That may explain some of its behavior
It's not Windows Update's fault that BonziBuddy writelocks and loads every DLL under the sun as part of its spyware package.
Learn how to use the tool. I've used rmmod and modprobe very often and it never was a problem.
I've tried to use them very often, on multiple systems, and it's always been a problem. And I was using them correctly. The biggest offender was vendor-supplied binary blob drivers, which refused to unload because of "inconsistent state".
On the other hand I VERY frequently end up installing drivers on Windows that are not signed, but at least the manufacturer has a popup to warn me not to worry about that and to just install them anyway.
I haven't had to do that since Windows 2000. Guess we have different hardware manufacturers.
what's wrong with this place of low level dicsourse?
We have opinions, poorly researched but deeply held, and we argue them fervently. On their merits. In all but two of our flamewars, despite directly calling the other people ignorant and wrong or shoulderalieny, the thrust of the discussion has been about what we're arguing about, not who's doing the arguing or how to engage the audience. And that's how it should be.
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Ahh @blakeyrat. All the charm of a men's right activist, and the reasoning skills of men's rights activist.
Don't worry, one day everyone will appreciate you as the genius you know yourself to be.
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The burden of proof belongs to whoever questions a scientific theory.
The assertion by Blakey (he originally implied that open source developers showed no signs of innovation) goes against established theories.
The assertion by Blakey is that there is not sufficient evidence to establish the theory. That's different from trying to tear down a well-established, working theory.
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The assertion by Blakey is that there is not sufficient evidence to establish the theory. That's different from trying to tear down a well-established, working theory.
Also, his incorrect assertion is irrelevant to the actual dissertation.
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Oh look, Blakeyrat's right.
So, according to you, since you need the kernel headers to compile the drivers, they are now built-in the kernel.By that same logic, you must assume that every .NET application is built-in .NET since you need .NET to compile them
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The assertion by Blakey is that there is not sufficient evidence to establish the theory.
Well, now it's a party. :)
I would assert that there are two reasons for the existence of free code, and the basis for the right to fork.
- The free software does something that commercial software doesn't (innovation).
- The paid software was overpriced (not innovation).
My counter-assertion to the idea that open source devs show no signs of innovation would be that not all free software copies commercial software. Otherwise you would have to find evidence that everything stored in a gist had a commercial version that had existed first.
In short, I think the theory that open source software is going to include some innovation is sound.
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In short, I think the theory that open source software is going to include some innovation is sound.
That's not a working theory, that's conjecture. Theories are usually supported by at least some evidence.
No, I'm not reading the 500000 page thesis to see what examples are cited.
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No, I'm not reading the 500000 page thesis to see what examples are cited.
Since you haven't been reading, that's not what it's about at all. That's just blakey's strawman / flamebait.
Hint: it's a dissertation for an econ degree.
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In all but two of our flamewars, despite directly calling the other people ignorant and wrong or shoulderalieny, the thrust of the discussion has been about what we're arguing about, not who's doing the arguing or how to engage the audience.
I'm constantly LOLing reading this forum. What flamewars?
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I'm constantly LOLing reading this forum. What flamewars?
You have the correct attitude.
Some people do not get it.
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What flamewars?
It's the central heating we had installed on the last update. Some people seem to be having problems with it...
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It's the central heating we had installed on the last update.
I thought that's what this whole Discourse thing was for from the very start.
Or do you mean it's going to start heating the server as well now instead of just melting my laptop?
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That's not a working theory, that's conjecture. Theories are usually supported by at least some evidence.
No, I'm not reading the 500000 page thesis to see what examples are cited.
If you don't want to read the thesis, you could always go to google and type in 'commercial javascript 3d engine'. If any of the entries include a javascript 3d engine that you have to pay for, we'll all have a good laugh out of it.
In any case, you're right, it is conjecture. I just don't want to trawl through 11/4 million results for the privilege of finding out that some people are stupid. I already know that, and it's the reason I keep running out of anti-depressants.
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And that's how it should be
E_AMBIGUOUS_STATEMENT
No, seriously, I'm actually confused about what that paragraph is supposed to mean
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No, seriously, I'm actually confused about what that paragraph is supposed to mean
He means that we're actually arguing instead of calling each other names, ass hat.
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He means that we're actually arguing instead of calling each other names, ass hat.
Woah there! That came out of nowhere...
OK, rephrase.
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No, seriously, I'm actually confused about
what that paragraph is supposed to meanthe point to his paragraphThe phrase "And that's how it should be" is usually used at the end of a paragraph to indicate that the current state the thing you're talking about is the correct one. I don't think that's what he's saying though, because the tone seems to imply the opposite. So I'm not sure what to make of that last phrase.
For once your favorite language would probably be useful...
Filed Under: I'm probably TRWTF, but meh
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Woah there! That came out of nowhere...
$(diety) $(explative) it. Yeah that's probably a woosh. I considered the possibility, but went ahead anyways.
Filed Under: Posting after midnight is a barrier to not wooshing
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How would Ben using Go be helpful at this point?
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if syscall.Errno == syscall.EAMBIG {
if it's deprecated, where's my replacement? checkmate
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You have the correct attitude.
Some people do not get it.
I meant "what flamewars? point me to that thread so that I can LOL more"
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I debated 9 posts to a new topic: Maths debating
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I jeff's 12 posts to a new topic even though no one asked for it: In which blakey doesn't ask for help with reducing notifications
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I jeff'd a post to an existing topic but couldn't think a new and clever way to talk about it: In which blakey doesn't ask for help with reducing notifications
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syscall.Errno is a type. I'm not sure how it would be equal to a value.
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syscall.Errno is a type. I'm not sure how it would be equal to a value.
Wait a minute, does that mean that you don't have types being values (of type “type”, or however that's mapped into the language)? Come on now, get with the program…
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What the fuck did I just watch?
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Umm... second half of Part 1?
Edit: interview explains all.
Late O'Clock (LIVE) - Sam Simmons – 11:23
— Rob Hunter Comedy
