Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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Where I live, people will have a variance of 20-30 mph in the same lane on the highway, they'll pull out blindly, they'll slow down and speed up for no reason, they're just way too unpredictable with their speed to bother with cruise control.
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Are you in the "loud pipes save lives" group of bikers? If so, you're pissing everybody off. And you like it. Because people look at you and you can think, "oh I'm sooo cool, people are looking at me on my bike" but you don't realize it's human instinct to look towards loud noises and all those people hate you.
Hell, no! My motorcycle is so quiet, in most conditions I can't even hear my own engine. And I like it that way, because I gain the use of my hearing for locating nearby cars based on their engine and tire noise.
"Loud pipes saves lives" assumes other people will be paying attention enough to hear you. Real life doesn't work that way, because everyone's sense of hearing goes away when they're balls-deep in a game of mobile Candy Crush on the freeway. I'd rather go the other direction and give myself the advantage of hearing others first, because I trust my own attentiveness more than I trust that of other drivers.
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Most people buy motorcycles specifically to tick people off.
Are you in the "loud pipes save lives" group of bikers? If so, you're pissing everybody off. And you like it. Because people look at you and you can think, "oh I'm sooo cool, people are looking at me on my bike" but you don't realize it's human instinct to look towards loud noises and all those people hate you.
I believe South Park described that situation well.
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@Intercourse said:
Bluetooth integration is usually shit also. I was in Austin on business a while back and had a Fusion rental. I had to manually clear a warning, every single time I got in the car that warned something about 911. Just warn me once, or once a week, even once per 24-hours would be sufficient. Nope, every time I started the fucking car.
That's pretty bad, but I've never seen a system like that. Most of the ones that I've used were decent. But the one that I have in my car is an aftermarket Alpine head unit, so that probably puts it in a slightly different class.
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I believe South Park described that situation well.
Sounds vaguely familiar.
The loud pipes gang is generally composed of older folks with more money than sense who spend tens of thousands on a Harley-Davidson just to ride it once a month while looking like a dirty homeless pirate. Apparently it's a status thing.
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"Loud pipes saves lives" assumes other people will be paying attention enough to hear you.
Right, and ignores the undisputed fact that everybody who is involved with a motorcycle collision didn't see or hear it first.
But that's not why they really install the loud pipes.
I believe South Park described that situation well.
Good for you? I don't watch TV, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Good for you? I don't watch TV, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
It also sucks that you don't have access to Google.
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@Intercourse said:
Mercedes-Benz improved upon this with their radar controlled cruise control, but then you would have to be the sort of cock that drives a Mercedes-Benz.
It's hardly just Mercedes any more - plenty of cars have adaptive cruise now.
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Was it a warning? It was probably asking for permission to dial 911 on your behalf if you're in an accident. Just hit yes and move on with your life.
If it asked me even once a day, I would not have thought anything about it. If every time I start the vehicle it does it, it can FOAD. That is too frequent. It was annoying. Vista UAC levels of annoying.
WTF is wrong with you people that you can type things like that.
I pride myself on knowing how to drive. I do not just "zone out" when I am in the car. I am an active driver, not just an automaton behind the wheel.
Are you in the "loud pipes save lives" group of bikers? If so, you're pissing everybody off. And you like it. Because people look at you and you can think, "oh I'm sooo cool, people are looking at me on my bike" but you don't realize it's human instinct to look towards loud noises and all those people hate you.
Agreed. Those type of bikers were every-fucking-where this weekend where we went on our fishing trip. You would not think that
bikersdentists would be huge "leafers", but apparently they are.
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It's hardly just Mercedes any more - plenty of cars have adaptive cruise now.
Please refer to:
@Intercourse said:
Which is why I specifically brought up Mercedes-Benz. Theirs will bring you to a complete stop and never shut off. The way others do it seems like a good way to cause a wreck when you put an idiot behind the wheel.
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@Intercourse said:
Agreed. Those type of bikers were every-fucking-where this weekend where we went on our fishing trip. You would not think that bikers dentists would be huge "leafers", but apparently they are.
What a bizarre coincidence. I'd never ever heard the term "leafer" until a couple hours ago, and then someone here uses the term shortly thereafter.
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@Intercourse said:
If it asked me even once a day, I would not have thought anything about it. If every time I start the vehicle it does it, it can FOAD.
Right; but you could just stop and read the message and deal with it. You know, like a normal person. Probably some action was required.
Instead of spazzing out your arm to hit the close box as fast as possible and then bitching about it months later on a forum.
@Intercourse said:
I pride myself on knowing how to drive. I do not just "zone out" when I am in the car. I am an active driver, not just an automaton behind the wheel.
Chesley Sullenberger used auto-pilot.
What a bizarre coincidence. I'd never ever heard the term "leafer" until a couple hours ago, and then someone here uses the term shortly thereafter.
It's some idiot east coast thing.
Our trees stay green year-round, like God intended.
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@Intercourse said:
I pride myself on knowing how to drive. I do not just "zone out" when I am in the car. I am an active driver, not just an automaton behind the wheel.
This is mandatory being a motorcyclist. I can't believe how many close calls I've had where the other driver didn't even realize they nearly killed me. I'm constantly creating contingency plans of what stupid things the cars around me might do, and positioning myself to have an out if it happens. And it's scary how many times it actually happens.
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What a bizarre coincidence. I'd never ever heard the term "leafer" until a couple hours ago, and then someone here uses the term shortly thereafter.
We use it pretty frequently around here. There is an area ~45 minutes south of our city where everyone goes in the fall because "it is so pretty when the leaves change". This tiny little town is less than a mile from end to end. In the fall it will take you 30+ minutes to drive through it, and there is no easy way to go around the town. It is positively full of people looking at leaves and drinking cider. "leafer"
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Yeah I'm starting to wonder where car companies design cars.
Given that its Ford, you'd think they'd design it in Detroit.
From my Ford Fusion, I can tell:
- It's not somewhere with lots of hill climbing (the Hybrid is so stupid about switching to gas when I hit the pedal while on a 10% grade. Gee, you think maybe when the car's basically aimed at the moon, you might need more power? Idiot computer?)
Michigan is pretty flat, so I can see this one.
2) It's not somewhere with a lot of 90 degree turns, because the automatic brights can't cope with that at all, and I have to turn that feature off or I end up blinding drivers like an asshole. They seemed to have designed it with the assumption that the only time a car would be turning 90 degrees is at an intersection...
Yup, this would also apply.
3) It's certainly nowhere where a heater is required often, I've bitched about that one recently on this forum.
I can't see how they could possibly get this one wrong. Michigan is one of the colder states and Detroit is certainly no exception. I mean, fuck, it was below freezing just a few days ago.
4) Judging by the performance of the automatic wipers (another feature I usually have to override) it's also not somewhere which gets a lot of rain.
Michigan gets a lot of rain too, so I'm not sure how they could screw that one up either.Actually, I'm surprised I haven't heard my mother complain about these things when I talk to her since she has a Ford Fusion.
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whatever sensor the automatic wipers use never detects that.
I can control the sensitivity in my Golf, which is some times handy for that type of rain.
@Intercourse said:
Bluetooth integration is usually shit also.
Bluetooth integration is also good in my Golf, even with the lower end stereo.@Intercourse said:
Please refer to:
Hadn't read down when I first replied.
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Intercourse:
I never use it. I prefer to pay attention to my driving and to actually know how to drive.WTF is wrong with you people that you can type things like that.
How good, I wonder, are automatic speed, steering, and so on, in arbitrary accidents, like a boulder rolling down a hill, or an RV rolling over across multiple lanes?
Are you not the kind of person who likes to know the limits of his tools and use them as best he can?
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Actually, I'm surprised I haven't heard my mother complain about these things when I talk to her since she has a Ford Fusion.
I have the Titanium edition where everything is automatic. Also two of my complaints only apply to the Hybrid version.
So if she owns a non-Titanium non-Hybrid maybe none of these apply.
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Right; but you could just stop and read the message and deal with it. You know, like a normal person. Probably some action was required.
Instead of spazzing out your arm to hit the close box as fast as possible and then bitching about it months later on a forum.
It was nagging. If my wife reminded me of banal shit as often as that car did, she would be my ex-wife.
Chesley Sullenberger used auto-pilot.
Ever rode in the co-pilots seat of an aircraft running on autopilot? You are anything but an automaton. You are constantly doing something, not just sitting there. Poor metaphor.
Hadn't read down when I first replied.
Then you are obviously "Doing It Wrong"™. Atwood just let out a small tear due to someone not using Discourse in the manner that he intended.
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@Intercourse said:
Atwood just let out a small tear due to someone not using Discourse in the manner that he intended.
Then my work here is done.
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@Intercourse said:
It was nagging.
You didn't even fucking read it!!!
For all you know, it was trying to save your fucking life! For all you know, it was saying "oh BTW your phone can't dial 911 you should get it fixed"
@Intercourse said:
Ever rode in the co-pilots seat of an aircraft running on autopilot? You are anything but an automaton. You are constantly doing something, not just sitting there. Poor metaphor.
Right; because cruise control removes the need to do anything in the drivers seat. You can just put your feet up and read a newspaper.
You have such a sharp understanding of the world.
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Right; because cruise control removes the need to do anything in the drivers seat. You can just put your feet up and read a newspaper.
"Well, now I don't need to keep my foot on the gas; that was the only thing keeping me from sparking a doob and watching Whose Line on my phone."
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For all you know, it was saying "oh BTW your phone can't dial 911 you should get it fixed"
That seems pretty unlikely.
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Right; because cruise control removes the need to do anything in the drivers seat. You can just put your feet up and read a newspaper.
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You didn't even fucking read it!!!
I did too! I was just unable to recall with absolute certainty what a shitty rental car LCD display said 6 months ago. I know you have total recall of everything that has ever been brought to your attention, I merely recalled it being really fucking annoying to have to clear it every time.
From this point forth, I shall wear a GoPro and document every single second of my waking life in 100% HD detail so that later when I make a point in a pointless forum I can recall with absolute detail every single thing that has ever happened to me.
I drink a lot. Some memory loss is to be expected.
For all you know, it was trying to save your fucking life! For all you know, it was saying "oh BTW your phone can't dial 911 you should get it fixed"
That is something along the lines of what it told me. IIRC (and I don't), it was something like: "Your car is unable to call 911 emergency services in the event of an accident" How about this?
Car pairs with a phone, tell the user any limitations that might arise due to that particular Bluetooth pairing, then the car can fuck off and leave me the fuck alone instead of nagging me like a fucking Jewish mother? Seems like a valid solution to me.
"Well, now I don't need to keep my foot on the gas; that was the only thing keeping me from sparking a doob and watching Whose Line on my phone."
Pay attention on your commute and I can almost guarantee you will see at least one person a week watching videos on their phone. All they are missing is a blunt.
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@Intercourse said:
Pay attention on your commute and I can almost guarantee you will see at least one person a week watching videos on their phone. All they are missing is a blunt.
I don't doubt it. But that's got nothing to do with cruise control. If you're a safe, sane driver, cruise control isn't going to turn you into an idiot.
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If you're a safe, sane driver, cruise control isn't going to turn you into an idiot.
I agree, but "safe, sane drivers" seem to be the exception and not the rule.
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I have the Titanium edition where everything is automatic. Also two of my complaints only apply to the Hybrid version.
So if she owns a non-Titanium non-Hybrid maybe none of these apply.
It's not a Titanium (afaik), but it is a Hybrid.
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@Intercourse said:
That is something along the lines of what it told me. IIRC (and I don't), it was something like: "Your car is unable to call 911 emergency services in the event of an accident" How about this?
Car pairs with a phone, tell the user any limitations that might arise due to that particular Bluetooth pairing, then the car can fuck off and leave me the fuck alone instead of nagging me like a fucking Jewish mother? Seems like a valid solution to me.
Presumably the feature that calls the emergency services automatically in the event of an accident was turned off. Probably gets a nag every time as it's considered a safety feature which has been disabled.
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Presumably the feature that calls the emergency services automatically in the event of an accident was turned off. Probably gets a nag every time as it's considered a safety feature which has been disabled.
I know, and I get it, litigiousness in our society has reached a fever pitch. I would think that one dialog when you pair your phone would be enough though. Or nag me the first 20 times I fire up the car. But to do it in perpetuity is just annoying. All it made me do was stop pairing my phone. Which is kind of the exact opposite of what they intended by integrating that feature.
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Michigan is one of the colder states
They migrate to Florida for the winter, clearly.
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True, but I imagine most people who owned the car would just enable the feature and leave it at that. No annoying message.
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They migrate to Florida for the winter, clearly.
Yes, they do. Well, older folk do.
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@Intercourse said:
You are constantly doing something, not just sitting there. Poor metaphor.
But you're also constantly doing something while driving too. At least I hope you are. From my perspective, cruise control allows me to spend more attention on situational awareness, rather than trying to maintain my speed at what I want; even if the latter doesn't take much effort, it's still nonzero, and it's substantially lessened by CC.
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The time-delay system in my car for my wipers is pretty bad. It's both rain- and speed-sensitive, but even on the lowest setting, it tends to move towards no delay. If it's not enough rain to have the wipers just going all the time, I'll just do it manually. I know there's a dealer-programmable option to change how sensitive they are, I just haven't gotten around to getting that done...
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If you're a safe, sane driver, cruise control isn't going to turn you into an idiot.
Have you seen the new Infiniti commercials? They seem to be marketing to people who think paying attention is strictly optional.
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This is mandatory being a motorcyclist. I can't believe how many close calls I've had where the other driver didn't even realize they nearly killed me.
I have a similar experience driving my full size van. OK, the chances of me dying were certainly lower than yours, but still.
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I have a similar experience driving my full size van.
I am not sure what sort of mental image I have for you, but I do know that image does not include a full-size van as a form of transportation.
Mind. Blown.
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"Loud pipes saves lives" assumes other people will be paying attention enough to hear you. Real life doesn't work that way,
The biggest problem I have with "loud pipes save lives" is that most of the sound seems to be directed rearward. If the motorcycle is behind you, where you are least able to see it, you can't hear it either. Then as it passes you (because they always drive faster than the flow of traffic), the wall of sound suddenly hits you, startling the [solid food residue] out of you and making you jump 6 inches (15.24 cm) off your seat. Startling other drivers does not seem to me conducive to safety.
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@Intercourse said:
I am not sure what sort of mental image I have for you, but I do know that image does not include a full-size van as a form of transportation.
Mind. Blown.
It has "free candy" on the side of it. There, better?
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It has "free candy" on the side of it. There, better?
No windows, dark tinted doors, ice cream truck music playing. Got it. Now it all makes sense.
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@Intercourse said:
I am not sure what sort of mental image I have for you, but I do know that image does not include a full-size van as a form of transportation.
What did you expect?
It's great. I can go to Home Depot and throw a few sheets of drywall in there. I can also transport lots of Cub Scouts at one time. I try not to drive it when I don't have to, since it uses a lot of gas.
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since it uses a lot of gas.
Rip that engine out and drop a Duramax in there!
Filed Under: My stock answer to all vehicle complaints
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@Intercourse said:
I am not sure what sort of mental image I have for you, but I do know that image does not include a full-size van as a form of transportation.
Mind. Blown.
With an avatar like that, you didn't think of this?
Edit: beaten to the punch, but nobody else put up pictures.
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I regret only that I have but one like to give.
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Guys, literally, on my way home today, as I was getting in the rightmost lane in order to exit at my offramp, I saw A BIG-RIG DRIVING IN THE SHOULDER.
NOT SLOWING DOWN. NO HAZARD LIGHTS. JUST CRUISING ALONG IN THE SHOULDER.
Then I saw it: up ahead, a "Road construction ahead" sign directly in front of the big-rig. He had two choices: plow into the sign, or merge sharply into my dinky little Kia.
Fellow WTFians, you better believe I floored it. Fuck that shit. In my rearview mirror I saw him merge back into the lane, bypass the sign, then merge BACK INTO THE GODDAMN SHOULDER WTF!
As I got to the bottom of my offramp and stopped at a red light, I checked my mirrors again. Yup. Still cruising along in the shoulder. FML. I am never driving again.
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NOT SLOWING DOWN. NO HAZARD LIGHTS. JUST CRUISING ALONG IN THE SHOULDER.
Shoulda dropped a dime on him.
